By "you guys" what type of guy are you implying I am? Someone in BM that has probably played more than someone like you who isn't? And as a result from playing more I could prolly smash you if we're both naked without gear so what's your point? I would be the last to cry for a class nerf. You have some kind of angst against me because I can play more than you can?. I have a life too believe it or not, this game is on easy mode and with a lil time invested, anyone can become a BM and still suck, so what. Progression is something, better than nothing, and a dead no incentive game. I don't know how you play and usually don't just assume, but you went there first with all your posts that are hostile and have an attitude and are down right rude to anyone who has a different opinion then yours. Chill out. we ALL have a right to speak our minds with out you attacking everyone with your posts because of disagreements. Be civil. It seems the forums are divided half and half about this issue and I have seen good points from both sides. Personally I think the game would be better off with gear progression but oh well, at least we can finally shut ppl up about how gear is "such a major gamebreaker" when in reality its a slight, and very minimal advantage, and even more so easily obtained. Same ppl who whine about dying too much now, will be the same ones whining for class nerfs after equal gear drops and they still die.

Some ppl ignore everybody for any reason it seems. So then you would have ppl QQing that their que for warzones never pops, because odds are someone on their huge ignore list is in every warzone atm. This will never happen because it's a stupid idea.

Here we go.........

Who cares if you guys win or lose, just pvp "for the fun of it". /sarcasm

I predict a mass outcry on the forums for xxx class nerfs. Couldn't be losing because they just suck, just couldn't be.

The winner^

Exactly.

No, they grinded for "realm rank", which gave bonus to skills/stats at times. Same thing as gear progression. So a RR10 would pwn a RR 1 easily. Without motivation or progression, or the cause to fight for relics, there wouldn't have been a ton of ppl doing it "just for the fun of it."

When 1.2 arrives, we all have equal gear, and the same ppl are still losing. Of course then it will all be "nerf this or nerf that". Some people just cannot accept that other ppl are better than them. Regardless of gear.

Because you can't just say to the gamers "hey pvp, for the fun of it" There needs to be base sieges and siege engines implemented, but the game wasn't made to handle battle on that scale sadly.

Longevity, ever heard of it? It's kinda required in subscription based MMO's.

Pretty much

The 4% is roughly the difference between BM and a champ/centurion combo you could easily get in a week. At full BM you're not even at 15% total stats above someone not wearing any pvp gear. But with a weeks worth of dailies you could be only 4% weeker than a BM was my point.

This aint basketball, its an MMO. It ain't fair. Deal with it. I would put my champ gear on and duel a BM anytime, or duel or fight 1 on 1 naked. The gear stat gap was so minimal why even cry over it, it gave the game more longevity. But you automatically assume since we have BM that we have no lives and we really suck hard at this game with all our time invested and only use our 4% advantage over lower gears as a huge crutch. And that's the reason we win and you casuals who are still in greens, blues , and oranges after being in the 50's warzones for weeks, still lose. Gear is why I lost is the lamest cop out ever. And your wish is granted you will all have even gear soon, and guess what, you will still die just as much.

For a casual you have the right out look. That "over the top easy" leads to boredom, which there already is an abundance of. And that leads to ppl not wanted to pay for this crappy pvp. Which leads to the game dying. Domino effect. Taking pvp gear progression out of a game that only has a few warzones and nothing else for pvpers to do is a bad idea.

It is still about skill now, and even more of a challenge. When ppl on their alts can wear centurion and still beat a BM. It works both ways. Even playing field means eating our biggest carrot too soon, with minimal effort. Colors and mounts are not carrot that ppl will pay a monthly sub to chase sadly. Would be nice if it would be enough, BUT it won't be.

"But what about the casuals who have life's and can't play as much as us losers!?" /sarcasm Being how easily you can obtain champ gear in a week and contend with BM, that's just not carebear enough. We have to all eat our biggest carrot now out the gate in 1.2.

Exactly

Nothing worth paying a subscription every month if all you do is PVP.

PVE'ers who whined in the first place about PVP gear being too hard to get and making BM out to be some huge stat gap from champion are simply bad players, blaming gear for the reason they die so much.

This guy said it best in another thread.

Lol pretty much.

You are giving me one of only two choices, yet have no superiority over me or anyone else, and you call ME "self righteous angry gamer". I simply stated my opinion due to my observations, and you got mad. LULZ.

You'll see. We disagree, but I have seen this before, a few times. The game will suffer when most pvpers give up on it and wont give it a second chance. Sadly a lot of ppl give a game just one chance, and not a second one, they(the devs) get one shot to impress with PVP, and overall I think most can agree they have not done that. You're blind if you think a lot haven't given up on the game already. And even blinder to think that it wont effect you if/when more do.

Well according to your definition of a "True PvP player", I don't think there are that many honestly. Not enough to carry or merit a substantial part of the subscriber base. I think a lot of pvpers will leave without gear progression, wether you consider them "True" (lol) or not. And in the end that will affect the game. It will be even more geared to just casual pver's that is where the majority of the money is at. Although everyone else who ever tried to copy WOW, has yet to pull it off and instead kill their game.