Can we get an up-to-date BW/EA statement on macros?

[casirabit]

My post was never about proof...and no craft is not as fine as it is...regardless of who uses it...my guild your guild...a guy without a guild.... it is just plain broken...if I wanted to play cookie clicker...I would have dwlded it on my phone....

 

Crafting was included to include others that don't like other aspects of conquest. Some people hate PVP, Raids, Heroics, and even some hate crafting. Conquest added things like crafting, etc so everyone could contribute. You don't have to craft or you don't even have to pvp to do a conquest.

 

For me they could take PVP out of the conquest and it would never be missed but I am smart enough to know some people like that aspect of the game so I would not do that, no matter my personal feelings about PVP.

Edited August 25, 2020 by casirabit

[Blood_Silver]

Am I asking that they take out crafting out of conquest? I am just pointing out that rewards/(time+effort) is way higher in crafting than in other cq aspects of the game....name me one other objective in the game that is able to to keep up with crafting in conquest....I am not asking for it to be removed here...

[Lidonebrave]

Am I asking that they take out crafting out of conquest? I am just pointing out that rewards/(time+effort) is way higher in crafting than in other cq aspects of the game....name me one other objective in the game that is able to to keep up with crafting in conquest....I am not asking for it to be removed here...

 

Easy. Objective to donate war supplies. Infinitely repeatable. Just keep clicking on a stack of invasion forces for as long as you want. Stop pretending and lying through your teeth about the intent of your original message.

[TheGreyRanger]

I'm Henry the eighth I am

Henry the eighth I am, I am

I got married to the widow next door

She's been married seven times before

And every one was an Henry (Henry)

She wouldn't have a Willy or a Sam (no Sam)

I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry

Henry the eighth I am

Second verse same as the first

 

Somehow this whole line of threads is starting to feel like Whack-a-Mole.

[Blood_Silver]

Easy. Objective to donate war supplies. Infinitely repeatable. Just keep clicking on a stack of invasion forces for as long as you want. Stop pretending and lying through your teeth about the intent of your original message.

And where do u get the invasion force from....let me ask you...I am not hiding my intent....and the original message does still stand....

[Lidonebrave]

I'm Henry the eighth I am

Second verse same as the first

 

Somehow this whole line of threads is starting to feel like Whack-a-Mole.

 

Yeah, unfortunately you are right. This is the result of a moron with no understanding of the Conquest objectives available, no skill or understanding on running and organizing a guild, but very good at telling lies, harassing and bullying his opponents in the hope they will give up. Someone who believes the devs are there for his pleasure alone, and that he can and did manipulate others to do his bidding. Unfortunately new or returning players like myself do stumble into this web of lies and it might even sound plausible until one analyze the lies he spreads and look at the ‘math” he presents to prove his crazy whacked viewpoint. Clearly not understanding the role of guild perks and/or many other factors. He thought he could simply start a guild and throw a lot of credits at everyone and buy his way to “reign supreme over the server”. Then he himself or his followers start these threads to elicit a response under false pretenses exactly like this OP did. So we have to basically either learn to turn a blind eye to it all, find some kind of humor in it, or hope they will eventually figure out how Conquest Objectives work. Until then - keep singing and try new waffle recipies? 😋

[Sareeph]

Random thoughts in a mostly useless thread....

 

Anything in game CAN be automated (bots) if the player has enough technical savy and doesn't mind risking their account, as evidence see the thread by Keith about adverts and credit farmers which both mentions credit farming bots as well as their actions taken to ban those accounts.

 

Macros (of the simple gaming mouse / keyboard type) CANNOT automate crafting to any meaningful extent as the crafting UI requires much more that simply clicking the same place or hitting the same key over and over (gift giving or the casino slots however are easily macro'd, and both are against the ToS).

 

Actually there was a person in an old guild I was in back when the cap was 50 that had some sort of set up that let him record every move and action he made in the starship missions and complete them. He would be in there for 8, 12 hours at a time and we wondered why he liked them so much. Suddenly he disappeared from the guild with all his toons. About a week later he came in to Teamspeak and told us his account was banned. He we using some sort of macro thing to level his toons to 50 in the starship missions while he was at work. Your first sentence was much truer to the mark than your second. Anything can be done in video games with enough knowledge.

[Lidonebrave]

And where do u get the invasion force from....let me ask you...I am not hiding my intent....and the original message does still stand....

 

Seems not all the synapses are firing , so let me walk you through the process. First, you spend a lot of credits, time and patience to gather all the resources needed. Oh wait - I heard you guys support the gold sellers ? (see how easy it is to make an accusation without any proof? Oh a gold seller that supplied your GM did come forward, or so the rumor goes). But aside from that unsubstantiated rumor- so what you do is walk up to any GTN and buy them. Instead of throwing all those credits on paying new innocent players and calling them “worthless” when they don’t produce enough conquest points, just buy the things and click away. Or why not just join another guild like I did , and start enjoying this amazing game and amazing communities that’s out there? Try it.

[Primeconvoy]

Actually there was a person in an old guild I was in back when the cap was 50 that had some sort of set up that let him record every move and action he made in the starship missions and complete them. He would be in there for 8, 12 hours at a time and we wondered why he liked them so much. Suddenly he disappeared from the guild with all his toons. About a week later he came in to Teamspeak and told us his account was banned. He we using some sort of macro thing to level his toons to 50 in the starship missions while he was at work. Your first sentence was much truer to the mark than your second. Anything can be done in video games with enough knowledge.

Wow, all that time spent setting up a bot could have been spent leveling several toons via conventional methods. lol

[Sareeph]

Wow, all that time spent setting up a bot could have been spent leveling several toons via conventional methods. lol

 

I never did ask him specifics over it as I'm not in the field but I would assume he set it up for one particular mission that kept repeating. If that was the case I don't believe it would take much time.

[Blood_Silver]

Seems not all the synapses are firing , so let me walk you through the process. First, you spend a lot of credits, time and patience to gather all the resources needed. Oh wait - I heard you guys support the gold sellers ? (see how easy it is to make an accusation without any proof? Oh a gold seller that supplied your GM did come forward, or so the rumor goes). But aside from that unsubstantiated rumor- so what you do is walk up to any GTN and buy them. Instead of throwing all those credits on paying new innocent players and calling them “worthless” when they don’t produce enough conquest points, just buy the things and click away. Or why not just join another guild like I did , and start enjoying this amazing game and amazing communities that’s out there? Try it.

Yet again you are assuming a lot of sht about me and being very and I mean VERY defensive....

I never once accused anyone...I said crafting is exploitable for cq and I wanted a statement from ea that they r doing something about it....this is my statement....yet you assume that I fully support the ideals of GM in the guild that I have spent now only 2 weeks in and created this thread just to attack the top guild ?....does that make any sense to you? You do realise a crafting nerf would affect any guild? Not only my guild nor only your guild.....most of the cq pts are coming from crafting after all....for no reason at all....it isnt the hardest thing to do in game and definitely not the most demanding one...so why does it reward so much?

[Jdast]

Yet again you are assuming a lot of sht about me and being very and I mean VERY defensive....

I never once accused anyone...I said crafting is exploitable for cq and I wanted a statement from ea that they r doing something about it....this is my statement....yet you assume that I fully support the ideals of GM in the guild that I have spent now only 2 weeks in and created this thread just to attack the top guild ?....does that make any sense to you? You do realise a crafting nerf would affect any guild? Not only my guild nor only your guild.....most of the cq pts are coming from crafting after all....for no reason at all....it isnt the hardest thing to do in game and definitely not the most demanding one...so why does it reward so much?

 

I cracked the case!

 

This entire thread is actually about promoting the use of ellipses.

 

<<sips martini>>

 

 

Dasty

[Qouivandes]

I actually love...ellipses.

[Lidonebrave]

I cracked the case!

 

This entire thread is actually about promoting the use of ellipses.

 

<<sips martini>>

 

 

Dasty

 

Hahaha tip of my hat to you! /bows in respect. You sure dunnit. Can I now have a dry martini too, please? Time to relax 😂

[Blood_Silver]

I cracked the case!

 

This entire thread is actually about promoting the use of ellipses.

 

<<sips martini>>

 

 

Dasty

Ellipses are great

[chucique]

And where do u get the invasion force from....let me ask you...I am not hiding my intent....and the original message does still stand....

 

Yeah, having a ton of invasion forces to donate that would affect conquest standings requires a ton of materials that you'd have to assemble. But then again, so would macroing a ton of crafting combines. Fifty crafted items gets you about 1500 points. That means you'd have to do it about 650 times to get a million points. That would require 65000 crafting mats that you gather, get in missions, or get from the jawas. That's not including the white materials that you need to buy. Let's assume you've kitted yourself out to get the highest number of crits, so add 25% to the point total. So 65000 mats to get 1.25 million points. The guild you're accusing scores in the tens of millions very easily.

 

So in order for this to happen, this guild would have to be tearing through literally millions of crafting mats every day. Even to get that through jawa junk or buying them on the GTN would require a pretty staggering commitment to the cause.

 

Or they could get a full raid group together with less than 100 of their members and run multiple rampages over all the planets that have rampages and make more conquest in under 2 hours.

[Darev]

Yeah, having a ton of invasion forces to donate that would affect conquest standings requires a ton of materials that you'd have to assemble. But then again, so would macroing a ton of crafting combines. Fifty crafted items gets you about 1500 points. That means you'd have to do it about 650 times to get a million points. That would require 65000 crafting mats that you gather, get in missions, or get from the jawas. That's not including the white materials that you need to buy. Let's assume you've kitted yourself out to get the highest number of crits, so add 25% to the point total. So 65000 mats to get 1.25 million points. The guild you're accusing scores in the tens of millions very easily.

 

So in order for this to happen, this guild would have to be tearing through literally millions of crafting mats every day. Even to get that through jawa junk or buying them on the GTN would require a pretty staggering commitment to the cause.

 

Or they could get a full raid group together with less than 100 of their members and run multiple rampages over all the planets that have rampages and make more conquest in under 2 hours.

 

^THIS

 

As someone who, during the first iteration of Conquest with the "crafting weeks" crafted my way through conquest on multiple toons, it is simply not a good time/reward investment anymore.

The amount of raw resources that need to go into the "sub components" made by three different crafting skills, only to combine THOSE 5 items into the invasion force...

 

I'd be more interested in knowing how any player got multiple stacks of 10k mats to burn through doing it than HOW they're doing it.

 

Especially if you think someone's doing it every week.

Edited August 26, 2020 by Darev

[jedimasterjac]

^THIS

 

As someone who, during the first iteration of Conquest with the "crafting weeks" crafted my way through conquest on multiple toons, it is simply not a good time/reward investment anymore.

The amount of raw resources that need to go into the "sub components" made by three different crafting skills, only to combine THOSE 5 items into the invasion force...

 

I'd be more interested in knowing how any player got multiple stacks of 10k mats to burn through doing it than HOW they're doing it.

 

Especially if you think someone's doing it every week.

 

I find it very odd that over the past two months or so there have been quite a few users suddenly sprouting up with no previous forum history waving accusations of certain conquest guilds cheating.

 

This is, for example, OP's first and only thread, just like several other users with the same/similar claims.

 

Why someone would bother subscribing on 4 or so different accounts just to do this is beyond me, but this seems like a very strange coincidence otherwise.

Edited August 26, 2020 by jedimasterjac

[DarkTergon]

I find it very odd that over the past two months or so there have been quite a few users suddenly sprouting up with no previous forum history waving accusations of certain conquest guilds cheating.

 

This is, for example, OP's first and only thread, just like several other users with the same/similar claims.

 

Why someone would bother subscribing on 4 or so different accounts just to do this is beyond me, but this seems like a very strange coincidence otherwise.

 

Could be multiple people, the leadership of the losing guild, from what people have said, they put out a lot of hate on their discord, and encourage bad gamership (polite way of putting it) . Would like to see some screen shots of this, or at least have some of them sent to the game managers, so if there is any toxicity , they can remove these people.

[Blood_Silver]

I find it very odd that over the past two months or so there have been quite a few users suddenly sprouting up with no previous forum history waving accusations of certain conquest guilds cheating.

 

This is, for example, OP's first and only thread, just like several other users with the same/similar claims.

 

Why someone would bother subscribing on 4 or so different accounts just to do this is beyond me, but this seems like a very strange coincidence otherwise.

It might be my first post here, but I had researched macros in swtor a year ago and it is a bit of a trigger subject for me. Again with the accusation...Not once I have accused anyone...the only people that brought up accusing are the people that for some reason thought this was directly adressed to them or their guild....it is adressed toany one in general....including my guild...because if we "dont promote macros and dont use them" quoting GM, doesnt mean it is true...I just feel annoyed that people already have 3Mil conquest done after not even 1day of conquest cycle just from crafting.....it is also baffling to me that people find this ok

[Baletraeger]

...I just feel annoyed that people already have 3Mil conquest done after not even 1day of conquest cycle just from crafting....

 

Have you ever asked them how they do it? Most veteran players are happy to share their strategies if you are willing to learn. This goes for all kinds of activities: raiding, PvP, making credits, and Conquest.

Edited August 26, 2020 by Baletraeger

[Blood_Silver]

Have you ever asked them how they do it? Most veteran players are happy to share their strategies if you are willing to learn. This goes for all kinds of activities: raiding, PvP, making credits, and Conquest.

I know how they do they do it...this post is about how dumb the method is.

[DarkTergon]

It might be my first post here, but I had researched macros in swtor a year ago and it is a bit of a trigger subject for me. Again with the accusation...Not once I have accused anyone...the only people that brought up accusing are the people that for some reason thought this was directly adressed to them or their guild....it is adressed toany one in general....including my guild...because if we "dont promote macros and dont use them" quoting GM, doesnt mean it is true...I just feel annoyed that people already have 3Mil conquest done after not even 1day of conquest cycle just from crafting.....it is also baffling to me that people find this ok

 

To be fair, your first post started off aggressively, and seemed to accuse people of cheating using macros, etc.

Maybe that wasn't your intention. Also we've had the leadership of a certain guild trying to bring down the top CQ guild on SF, and they've tried this path, as well as others. So if it's just a misunderstanding, I apologise for my part in jumping to the wrong conclusion. But that aside

 

Personally I don't think they should change it to a daily, as there are some people who just craft for CQ. While it sounds great and you think you'd get lots from it, a lot of effort actually goes it to it to set it up, especially if you do it every week. Those guys with the millions of CQ (Which I'm not sure I believe, without actual screen shots) aren't just crafting, these guys are doing rampages on every planet, the quickest heroics, and planet missions, and every other quick mission they can. It's a combination of everything that gives them the points.

[Blood_Silver]

To be fair, your first post started off aggressively, and seemed to accuse people of cheating using macros, etc.

Maybe that wasn't your intention. Also we've had the leadership of a certain guild trying to bring down the top CQ guild on SF, and they've tried this path, as well as others. So if it's just a misunderstanding, I apologise for my part in jumping to the wrong conclusion. But that aside

 

Personally I don't think they should change it to a daily, as there are some people who just craft for CQ. While it sounds great and you think you'd get lots from it, a lot of effort actually goes it to it to set it up, especially if you do it every week. Those guys with the millions of CQ (Which I'm not sure I believe, without actual screen shots) aren't just crafting, these guys are doing rampages on every planet, the quickest heroics, and planet missions, and every other quick mission they can. It's a combination of everything that gives them the points.

Screenshots will have to wait till I get back to my pc....plus idk the rules on the forum...but I am sure I ll have to edit them...for now try to trust me that there were 4 people that were above 3mil cq last time I checked 1 nearring 4mil....I am also doing the daily stuff even if not at the same level(like mm fps i dont have time to do them all)....but even if I did do them all...and I mean all of the available objectives...I dont think you would even reach 1mil...I could be wrong....but it is definitely not close to 2mil and especially not 3....again I am not asking crafting to be removed from the conquest....I am asking for its redesign....make a crafting mini-game, make specific items give cq and not every single one of them....the war supplies onjective take a bit to set up, but it is feasable especially if you have a lot of credits already...the inventor objective took me less than 5 min to set up and less than 2mil credits to have the mats to almost infinitely repeat it especially if I dismantle the stuff I craft.

[chucique]

Screenshots will have to wait till I get back to my pc....plus idk the rules on the forum...but I am sure I ll have to edit them...for now try to trust me that there were 4 people that were above 3mil cq last time I checked 1 nearring 4mil....I am also doing the daily stuff even if not at the same level(like mm fps i dont have time to do them all)....but even if I did do them all...and I mean all of the available objectives...I dont think you would even reach 1mil...I could be wrong.....

 

You're wrong.

 

I have an alt in a guild I joined a long time ago that's pretty much died. In order to keep the guild leadership, the GM logs in once a week and sets conquest. My guildmates who are still playing get anywhere from about 50k to 230k conquest combined.

 

On a couple of occasions where I capped all my other characters who were in guilds that hit their conquest minimums, I decided I'd see if I could cap that guild. When I have the entire day's worth of conquest objectives open to me, it's extraordinarily easy. If I have to split conquest with a different character, directed conquest objectives still make it easy to do.

 

I'd mostly do heroics and rampages, and I'd get anywhere from 200k to 400k in 1 to 3 hours, and I'd still have plenty of stuff to do before I'd be forced into repeating things like flashpoints, pvp, GSF, or crafting. And if I ever found myself having to repeat objectives, crafting would not be my first choice in getting lots of points, though I would do my best to have 8 comps out crafting when I could.

 

Ever sat in the pvp queue all day? How much conquest would that get you? I personally don't know but I know plenty of people who have done that over the years and they were always the big conquest scorers. When I was in the dominant guild on SF/SL prior to the current guild, our top scorers were consistently the hardcore pvpers.