Sindol Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 stuns? ahhh u didnt know that a stun within a second fills resolve less? which means your 3. "hardstun" is for a sec.... wow.. since 1.1? operatives are op all the time.. dominating pvp for a decade... net him stun him kill em... no roll no life..more roll less dmg...ez l2p issue deceptions burst is way to high. every monkey can press mual maul maul maul...^^ but what happens when they cant reset anymore? or if their getting focused ? Mercs... aha... net rocketout shield--> reflect--> kolto---> shield--> knockback into into into...... yeah poor mercs snipers? wait im on him.. argh cant stun ... argh knockback.... argh he rolled.. argh evade...argh diversion... argh he rolled... now get him..... holocate... repeat....legshot? mezz? 75% movementspeed?hardstun? and dots? Pyro pts? 15-20k arent enough? leth ops? 15-20k arent enough with 4-7 k hps? sins? .. or sage?.,.. man the balance is not perfekt... but its near to ok. learn to deal with it. think outside the box..... Well said. This is always the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lundorff Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I don't think I had a game with less that 4 sin/shadows tonight. Often it is 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dralor Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Power level aside, how do the devs think this is fun? Not so much worried about being globaled so much as having to deal with so many people who can reset/hide all the time. Not cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideblaze Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 My favorite is when assassin players come out of the woodwork to try and defend the dumbest thing since smash monkeys. As if the 80k maul spam requires any skill or outplaying to pull off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMasterAlex Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Power level aside, how do the devs think this is fun? Not so much worried about being globaled so much as having to deal with so many people who can reset/hide all the time. Not cool. This is how I feel too. Balance aside, I don't enjoy chasing people around a map nonstop, and with double stealth for sins, 30 sec camo, sniper phasewalk, and the proliferation of ops, it's even worse than before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhancelot Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I'm not sure the ED tactical will be that useful in yolos but we'll see. Exactly what is going on in "yolos" where you need a tactical for ED? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhancelot Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 3 stuns? ahhh u didnt know that a stun within a second fills resolve less? which means your 3. "hardstun" is for a sec.... wow.. since 1.1? operatives are op all the time.. dominating pvp for a decade... net him stun him kill em... no roll no life..more roll less dmg...ez l2p issue deceptions burst is way to high. every monkey can press mual maul maul maul...^^ but what happens when they cant reset anymore? or if their getting focused ? Mercs... aha... net rocketout shield--> reflect--> kolto---> shield--> knockback into into into...... yeah poor mercs snipers? wait im on him.. argh cant stun ... argh knockback.... argh he rolled.. argh evade...argh diversion... argh he rolled... now get him..... holocate... repeat....legshot? mezz? 75% movementspeed?hardstun? and dots? Pyro pts? 15-20k arent enough? leth ops? 15-20k arent enough with 4-7 k hps? sins? .. or sage?.,.. man the balance is not perfekt... but its near to ok. learn to deal with it. think outside the box..... This is actually a really high quality post. ^ Has some really easy to follow/smart tactics that a noob could pick up and use to great effect in PVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltraFlashStar Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share Posted December 14, 2019 12k-15k DPS with 4-7k in HPS as a Ruffian. Nice joke. Nice joke. Even in the perfect scenario you would make 13k max. Unless you’re fighting potatoes. Focusing all you’re effort on DPS would result in less time healing. And vice versa. I’ve tried one ranked match focused on healing and got horrible damage with my HPS at 3.6k. Unless you have some screenshots of this, I won’t believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seterade Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 You thought all these threads about dec sins, conc opers were a joke? Lol no until devs nerf these specs to 57k biggest hits instead of 65+ hits and from 9-10 k dps per secons to 7-8,5 dps and remove possibility of changing tactical items during fight all other specs and classes will be useless. Dot pt 100 k hits must be reduced to maximun of 60k hit. It is not a burst spec after all its comments like this that makes people roll their eyes. PYRO PT does NOT hit for 100k. meteor brawler does. and meteor brawlers effect works regardless of the spec because its damage comes from explosive fuel, which they all have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soisa Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 12k-15k DPS with 4-7k in HPS as a Ruffian. Nice joke. Nice joke. Even in the perfect scenario you would make 13k max. Unless you’re fighting potatoes. Focusing all you’re effort on DPS would result in less time healing. And vice versa. I’ve tried one ranked match focused on healing and got horrible damage with my HPS at 3.6k. Unless you have some screenshots of this, I won’t believe it. https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-032da5-1576488079.jpg.html just dps wise and they didnt stacked that well........ i had also matches with arround 12-14k with a lot more of hps but i dont play leth that often.... (ps 7k hps was to trigger:-) its arround 3-5k) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkkrayts Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-032da5-1576488079.jpg.html just dps wise and they didnt stacked that well........ i had also matches with arround 12-14k with a lot more of hps but i dont play leth that often.... (ps 7k hps was to trigger:-) its arround 3-5k) I mean sure if you only dps the whole game (looking at you 500 objective points) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soisa Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Ahhh OK.... Did He say 13 k is max ? So that was the Screenshot about. Nobody was asking for 20 k objektive Points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhancelot Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I mean sure if you only dps the whole game (looking at you 500 objective points) So other classes are doing similar damage and hps when they are only deathmatching, like he was? If not, well then the point that he only had 500 objective points means nothing. He presented an example of what was possible on the class in PVP. I'd guess no other class is matching such numbers when you count both total dps and hps. It should be remembered this is not considering burst potential, and all the other advantages a stealth class has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soisa Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 So other classes are doing similar damage and hps when they are only deathmatching, like he was? If not, well then the point that he only had 500 objective points means nothing. He presented an example of what was possible on the class in PVP. I'd guess no other class is matching such numbers when you count both total dps and hps. It should be remembered this is not considering burst potential, and all the other advantages a stealth class has. thx... someone understood :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveerkcanjerk Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 The Main problem remains Class Stacking. Though Operatives as do DPS Sorcs need a check IMO, there has to be a trade off, you really cannot have it all i.e one of the best burst in the games, full of (a couple 8 sec stuns), and then again being able to off-heal rather well. This is ridiculous. Thought this as well until you run into that alpha strike amped up sin with 60k+ back to back hits that just eats your health you. No tank or healer can react to that. This is often done within 1 stun duration by 1 person. Class stacking will always be annoying but it was literally one stealther doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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