Mentack Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I'm going to be trying a 5/13/23 build for PVE. I might switch 2 points from Dark mending to pick up Lingering Nightmares, as I don't really think I'll need to do much direct healing. 5/13/23 build: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201GZfcM0dZcMfRsMkM.1 3/13/25 build: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201hZfcM0dZcMfRsMkr.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spellegren Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) I'm going to be trying a 5/13/23 build for PVE. I might switch 2 points from Dark mending to pick up Lingering Nightmares, as I don't really think I'll need to do much direct healing. 5/13/23 build: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201GZfcM0dZcMfRsMkM.1 3/13/25 build: http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201hZfcM0dZcMfRsMkr.1 I really feel like if you are going above 16/18 in Madness you really might as well go to 28 to fill out Creeping Death. It's a nice bit of "Surge" for all of your dots. Edited December 30, 2011 by spellegren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cythis Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Very close to the best build. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewportBox Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 It's good to see you here in SWTOR, Hoko! Your builds and rotations (Especially the Hoko Button™ lol) were great over in Rift, I look forward to seeing more here. NewportBox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twiitty Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 nice template. Hoko is back ! thanks man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dxkrooked Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) hoko is my hero, i used all your specs in Rift, rofl Edited December 31, 2011 by Dxkrooked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawssMcgee Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Sorry, but what is your reasoning behind NO HAUNTED DREAMS? The ability to instantly CC two opponents is extremely viable in objective based... If you can back it up. I will agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesp Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Sorry, but what is your reasoning behind NO HAUNTED DREAMS? The ability to instantly CC two opponents is extremely viable in objective based... If you can back it up. I will agree. I believe the author's spec is designed to be a middle ground between pvp, and pve solo/group play, thus some talent sacrifices must be made. The centerpiece of the build is really the incorporation of Resurgence, so some talents must be foregone to make room for it. I can't really see a Madness spec going anywhere without either being a Chain Lightning hybrid or going far enough to pick up Creeping Terror, so there is really no way to accommodate Haunted Dreams unfortunately. Haunted Dreams is fantastic, but it would be gimping the spec too much to have passed on Chain Lightning imo. Granted, this is all my take on the spec and the author could have had an entirely different reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strains Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 is chain lightning affected from the 10% dmg increase from Force Suffusion in the corruption tree just wondering, also awesome spec never would of thought of something like this ever lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsouth Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Wow this spec looks amazing I cant wait to try it. Thanks for taking the time to post this, and we are glad to have you here instead of on Rift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawssMcgee Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 "If Lightning Storm procs, instantly Chain Lightning before starting rotation over." This build does not have lightning storm...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daellia Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I've actually found a bit more success with a slightly more focused hybrid build. I'm currently using 21/2/18. You sac a little bit of dps, both burst and sustained, by dropping most of the Lightning talents, but you gain a lot of healing power and support from Efficacious Currents, Reconstruct, Sith Purity, Innervate, and Haunted Dreams. Efficacious Current itself is utterly amazing, effectively removing the cooldown entirely from Static Barrier and nearly halving its force cost, in addition to reducing the lock-out debuff by a full 30%. Innervate is an incredibly power and efficient spell, essentially the Force Lightning of healing (heals about half again as much as Force Lightning damages in the same gear). Haunted Dreams is more debatable, but it's already saved my butt several times, and honestly dropping it on someone on a fire plate in Huttball never gets old. The flames break it, stun them for 2 seconds, and 90% of the time that's an autokill even if I don't keep nuking them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extremite Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Haha...Hoko, I followed your guides in Rift as well. It's good to see that you've transitioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawssMcgee Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Been trying out this spec for 24 hours now in a lot of warzones and questing. It's good. But not amazing. I find myself running out of force CONSTANTLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawssMcgee Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I've actually found a bit more success with a slightly more focused hybrid build. I'm currently using 21/2/18. You sac a little bit of dps, both burst and sustained, by dropping most of the Lightning talents, but you gain a lot of healing power and support from Efficacious Currents, Reconstruct, Sith Purity, Innervate, and Haunted Dreams. Efficacious Current itself is utterly amazing, effectively removing the cooldown entirely from Static Barrier and nearly halving its force cost, in addition to reducing the lock-out debuff by a full 30%. Innervate is an incredibly power and efficient spell, essentially the Force Lightning of healing (heals about half again as much as Force Lightning damages in the same gear). Haunted Dreams is more debatable, but it's already saved my butt several times, and honestly dropping it on someone on a fire plate in Huttball never gets old. The flames break it, stun them for 2 seconds, and 90% of the time that's an autokill even if I don't keep nuking them. You need chain lightning. It's an amazing burst/damage ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daellia Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 You need chain lightning. It's an amazing burst/damage ability. Meh. It hits hard, sure, but is only useable with Wrath, eats mana almost as quickly as Shock, and you have to give up most of your healing boosts to get it. If you're going for a spec designed around damage, just bite the bullet and go 0/13/28 or 0/17/24. If you want a healing/dps hybrid, you'll need up through T4 in Corruption. Efficacious Currents alone is worth it, and the physical cleanse from Sith Purity is amazing in PvP. Thing is, you try to hybridize too much, you end up mediocre across the board. The 21/2/18 spec is solid at both healing and damage, though it's not ground-breaking at either. The idea is that compared to a full Corruption spec, you lose a bit of healing potency for a lot of damage, and compared to a full Madness spec, you lose a bit of damage for a lot of healing and survivability. It's a good mix, CL really isn't necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsouth Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Been trying out this spec for 24 hours now in a lot of warzones and questing. It's good. But not amazing. I find myself running out of force CONSTANTLY. I agree. Love the extra healing but force issues are pretty bad. I still love this spec though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawssMcgee Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Meh. It hits hard, sure, but is only useable with Wrath, eats mana almost as quickly as Shock, and you have to give up most of your healing boosts to get it. If you're going for a spec designed around damage, just bite the bullet and go 0/13/28 or 0/17/24. If you want a healing/dps hybrid, you'll need up through T4 in Corruption. Efficacious Currents alone is worth it, and the physical cleanse from Sith Purity is amazing in PvP. Thing is, you try to hybridize too much, you end up mediocre across the board. The 21/2/18 spec is solid at both healing and damage, though it's not ground-breaking at either. The idea is that compared to a full Corruption spec, you lose a bit of healing potency for a lot of damage, and compared to a full Madness spec, you lose a bit of damage for a lot of healing and survivability. It's a good mix, CL really isn't necessary. Yes, it is only useable with Wrath which procs ALL THE TIME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsouth Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 (edited) I've actually found a bit more success with a slightly more focused hybrid build. I'm currently using 21/2/18. You sac a little bit of dps, both burst and sustained, by dropping most of the Lightning talents, but you gain a lot of healing power and support from Efficacious Currents, Reconstruct, Sith Purity, Innervate, and Haunted Dreams. Efficacious Current itself is utterly amazing, effectively removing the cooldown entirely from Static Barrier and nearly halving its force cost, in addition to reducing the lock-out debuff by a full 30%. Innervate is an incredibly power and efficient spell, essentially the Force Lightning of healing (heals about half again as much as Force Lightning damages in the same gear). Haunted Dreams is more debatable, but it's already saved my butt several times, and honestly dropping it on someone on a fire plate in Huttball never gets old. The flames break it, stun them for 2 seconds, and 90% of the time that's an autokill even if I don't keep nuking them. How do you not run out of force without electric induction in the lightning tree? Even with it I am having some force issues. I was thinking of taking two points out of haunted dreams for it Edited January 1, 2012 by tsouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdragonthirtyone Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) -Efficacious current, by description on the tooltip, only lowers the cooldown of Static barrier by 3 seconds so is it a good skill and worthed spending 2 points on it? Edited January 2, 2012 by bdragonthirtyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poohnyc Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I think the November 24th patch removed the debuff reduction, which in my opinion takes this down from a must-have to a nice-to-have. Corruption •Efficacious Currents no longer reduces the duration of Static Barrier’s debuff effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawelc Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Nice guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daellia Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) How do you not run out of force without electric induction in the lightning tree? Even with it I am having some force issues. I was thinking of taking two points out of haunted dreams for it It's a short-fight spec. It's not really designed for healing long-duration fights, anything past about 2-3 minutes in duration is going to be a bit rough from a healing perspective. For soloing and PvP, this isn't an issue, but I wouldn't recommend it for Ops. On the damage side, it's actually force positive. A full channel of Force Lightning leaves you 18 force higher than you started, as you will regen 48 force over the 3 second channel (24 from base regen, 24 from Sith Efficacy) for a cost of 30. Even factoring in Crushing Darkness and Affliction refreshes, you're still at a net gain when dpsing, so that's not an issue. I think the November 24th patch removed the debuff reduction, which in my opinion takes this down from a must-have to a nice-to-have. Corruption •Efficacious Currents no longer reduces the duration of Static Barrier’s debuff effect. Well, it still effectively removes the cooldown from Static Barrier, and nearly halves the cost. Give how powerful the shield is and how ridiculous the scaling is on it, I'd say it's still a "must-have". Edited January 2, 2012 by Daellia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsazao Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Been PvPing with http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201GhbRZfc0MkZcMdRs0z.1 been great fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frogggystyle Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Nice hybrid build. The only thing I would change is the 5 yard range talent and 4% damage to two attacks in the lightning tree and change to the 9% cheaper force talent. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#201GhbRZfzMMkZcMcRs0z.1 You will have force issues when healing a flashpoint or group without the 9%. 100% agree, and this is the build I am working on. Nice job, frmorrison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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