Evolixe Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 And then you realise that your acc stim has dropped and all of those discharges missed and you wasted 6 of those stacks With 8 hour stims.. that will never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvai Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 With 8 hour stims.. that will never happen Sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rion_Starkiller Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Shadow Strike no longer has a positional requirement but now deals slightly more damage if used while behind a target and less damage if used while facing a target. Serenity Strike now replaces Shadow Strike. Does this mean that using Serenity Strike deals slightly more damage if used from behind target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyrkverse Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) I think it just means that it will deal less damage when used from the front. anyway, frontal maul, wow! edit: oh i see what you mean, leeching strike (sorry, assassin brain here ) no, i think it's just more "streamlining", taking away an ability that it's not used by serenity (shadow strike). Edited July 10, 2017 by nyrkverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equeliber Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Does this mean that using Serenity Strike deals slightly more damage if used from behind target? I don't think it will affect Serenity strike at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) Very glad they decided to make this change. At last we can stay competative in Damage, even if we have no choice but to face creatures and bosses head on. This will also be a HUGE deal for levelling. A very good day for Deception indeed. Why this had to stay quiet riddles me, but alas. Edited July 10, 2017 by Evolixe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equeliber Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Tried some Hatred, still parsing 100-200dps below Deception. It improved, especially in execute phase but it's still not strong enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Quick calculations tell me that Maul does 90% of original damage from the front and 110% from the back. Directly compared just over 18% difference, definitely worth finding your position for but fair enough if you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvai Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 So they buffed maul? Or did I misunderstand you there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 So they buffed maul? Or did I misunderstand you there? Nah they reduced the base damage a little bit. Maul got buffed but ever so slightly. Couple tenths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvai Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Alright, thanks. Your "90 and 110% of base damage" just made it sound that a behind the target maul deals 10% more damage than before. But maybe I jsut misread there, I'm not a native speaker after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Alright, thanks. Your "90 and 110% of base damage" just made it sound that a behind the target maul deals 10% more damage than before. But maybe I jsut misread there, I'm not a native speaker after all You didn't misread, they just changed stuff a bit. I thought that initially too, but came to the conclusion not much has changed. You still want to be behind as much as possible, but you won't be stuck doing half damage because you can't Maul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rion_Starkiller Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Do you have time to confirm that Leeching Strike does NOT buff from behind target? (since it replaces Maul in Hatred) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greezt Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Do you have time to confirm that Leeching Strike does NOT buff from behind target? (since it replaces Maul in Hatred) It does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooduckAUS Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I was so excited when i heard Balance/Serenity was getting some love, i dusted off my beloved (1st character from launch) shadow! After all, according to their logic, melee/dots spec, should be at the top of the dps list right? But alas, it seems the have missed the mark again. Logged in and started whacking my dummy around..... 300-400 dps increase but still 500-600 dps behind infil (melee/burst spec....) I know both classes pretty damn well, have been running them since launch in and out of nim groups depending on the day of the (buff/nerf shadow) week. So i was expecting to see serenity finally out parse (on a dummy at least) its counterpart, infiltration. Nope, not going to happen, still a long way behind. I appreciate the time and effort in trying to balance all classes but just wanted to let you know that you have missed the mark, even by your own melee/range/burst/dot logic. *places shiny serenity shadow character back on the shelf and wipes a solemn tear from cheek* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supertimtaf Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Well, tried both Deception and Hatred today, both in pvp and pve... Hatred has become way more usefull in pvp, the execute phase is great but it still lack on the defensive aspect to be really competitive with Deception. You die too quickly to be really effective. Cool thing : front Maul... even though with all the desync you have in pvp, I never got any Maul from the back :/ But maybe I should try some more to be sure. As for PvE... Hatred still need a really tiny help with Force regen when fighting solo boss... but maybe I lack training with this spec Deception... Nothing changed. Still open with crazy numbers, still great dps... really, one of the most balanced spec as for now, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invertioN Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 *places shiny serenity shadow character back on the shelf and wipes a solemn tear from cheek* Feelsbadman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvai Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Just think of Hatred as an AoE spec rather than a sustained spec and it's suddenly really amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equeliber Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Just think of Hatred as an AoE spec rather than a sustained spec and it's suddenly really amazing Yeah, once there is at least one other enemy in range it tops the charts. Kind of like Vengeance but may be even more so. Jarg and Sorno come to mind, doubt that many specs can beat Hatred there. I guess I can live with the current DPS state but it could really use some defenses. Otherwise it's still just a spec for adds and brings nothing else over/equal to Deception. Edited July 12, 2017 by Equeliber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greezt Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Yeah, once there is at least one other enemy in range it tops the charts. Kind of like Vengeance but may be even more so. Jarg and Sorno come to mind, doubt that many specs can beat Hatred there. I guess I can live with the current DPS state but it could really use some defenses. Otherwise it's still just a spec for adds and brings nothing else over/equal to Deception. Infiltration is probably better at adds too though, at least with Stalker's swiftness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realleaftea Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Lacerating doesn't give you a free discharge though? Oops. You're right. I mixed these two aspects up. I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torvai Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Infiltration is probably better at adds too though, at least with Stalker's swiftness. Depends on the adds. If you have lot's of small stuff that dies with a Discharge, then it's a moot point anyway, because Lacerating twice will kill them as well. But Charging back and forth is more fun, yeah But in a fight with many targets that last a reasonable amount of time for your dots to be spread and actually tick, like Bestia,, almost nothing beats Hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verfallen Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I was so excited when i heard Balance/Serenity was getting some love, i dusted off my beloved (1st character from launch) shadow! After all, according to their logic, melee/dots spec, should be at the top of the dps list right? But alas, it seems the have missed the mark again. Logged in and started whacking my dummy around..... 300-400 dps increase but still 500-600 dps behind infil (melee/burst spec....) I know both classes pretty damn well, have been running them since launch in and out of nim groups depending on the day of the (buff/nerf shadow) week. So i was expecting to see serenity finally out parse (on a dummy at least) its counterpart, infiltration. Nope, not going to happen, still a long way behind. I appreciate the time and effort in trying to balance all classes but just wanted to let you know that you have missed the mark, even by your own melee/range/burst/dot logic. *places shiny serenity shadow character back on the shelf and wipes a solemn tear from cheek* deception is probably going to be brought down alongside the other melee burst spec to roughly viru/madness levels. You cannot really compare with the now "overperforming" specs they didnt touch yet. Tbh I think the 3 specs that probably will not be touched much are MM, Lightning and AP, rest will most likely be brought in line with the next big patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I'm afraid so. It would be dumb, but I have the same expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooduckAUS Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Feelsbadman Oh hey bud, glad to see you still around. I came back maybe 12 months ago, after my "break". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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