Thanks for Malavai Quinn. <3 <3 <3 This is a love thread, haters make your own lol.

[grania]

Your treasonous choice probably pained him a lot.

 

Did I imagine it, or did I read somewhere that the republic was responsible for Quinn's father's death? It seems so cruel to side with the republic and then blame Quinn for being momentarily troubled by it, even though he does ultimately stay with the warrior regardless.

 

I've got a lot of warriors now and I have a really hard time rationalizing why any of them would side with the republic. Even if you're a ls warrior and think the republic is.. nicer (or whatever), what happened to the plan for changing the empire from the inside? Never mind the fact the republic has been useless to the outlander since kotfe started.

Edited May 6, 2017 by grania

[RuthSimpson]

Did I imagine it, or did I read somewhere that the republic was responsible for Quinn's father's death? It seems so cruel to side with the republic and then blame Quinn for being momentarily troubled by it, even though he does ultimately stay with the warrior regardless.

Yeah you're right. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rymar_Quinn

Being Pro-Empire is such a huge part of Quinn's character. It's not out-of-character at all for him to first side with the Empire. It's MORE out of character for him to come round to your side after you sided with the republic. Though I suppose you could headcannon that he lost hope for the Empire after Acina died as she was one of the few that was really trying to improve the empire? Afterall, I do vaguely remember he sided with Baras because he thought it was best for the Empire, as the Emperor had done nothing for the Empire in a long time?

 

Part of the reason I like Quinn is he isn't you're typical PC-centric companion that pretty much just goes along with whatever the player decides regardless of their opinions. But then I love Carth as well and so many people hate him too.

[Ralei]

Whatever reasons you have for siding with the Republic (maybe you're scheming to get rid of Acina because she never told you she had your damn husband, maybe you think that the Empire's getting too big for its britches and you need to keep the balance, maybe you think Jace is hot stuff, w/e) the only reason Quinn acted the way he did ie threw the flash bomb and ran without a moment's hesitation was because he and Elara had to do the same thing in that moment because they're the same person in the story. So, it's not going to make any sense and it's irritating to me that they expect us to just to pretend that wasn't completely out of character for someone who just spent a few years in jail for you.

[grania]

Yeah you're right. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rymar_Quinn

Being Pro-Empire is such a huge part of Quinn's character. It's not out-of-character at all for him to first side with the Empire. It's MORE out of character for him to come round to your side after you sided with the republic. Though I suppose you could headcannon that he lost hope for the Empire after Acina died as she was one of the few that was really trying to improve the empire? Afterall, I do vaguely remember he sided with Baras because he thought it was best for the Empire, as the Emperor had done nothing for the Empire in a long time?

 

Part of the reason I like Quinn is he isn't you're typical PC-centric companion that pretty much just goes along with whatever the player decides regardless of their opinions. But then I love Carth as well and so many people hate him too.

 

Thank you, that's what I was looking for, couldn't find it.

 

I agree with the assessment that's it's out of character for Quinn to side with the republic-aligned warrior. We know now that BW won't shy away from companions, even LI companions, ditching the pc for decisions they've made in the story (Dorne). Maybe they just figured warriors have been through enough already with betrayals.

 

I'm sick of that word - betrayal, there must be a better way to describe what we're talking about here. Like you said, Quinn has a bit of agency, free-will. Must be why players are so irritated by him, as Lammia points out.

 

the only reason Quinn acted the way he did ie threw the flash bomb and ran without a moment's hesitation was because he and Elara had to do the same thing in that moment because they're the same person in the story

 

Well yeah that too. I'm breaking my own rule about over-analyzing his actions on Iokath.

Edited May 6, 2017 by grania

[Sarova]

"Again"? I certainly don't see his actions as such. He's loyal to the Empire. Both times. But to classify his actions on Iokath (I assume we're talking about warrior switching sides) as

 

 

betrayal?

 

YOU betrayed the Empire by siding with the Republic! Where does he betray you? You're the bad guy in his eyes. Your treasonous choice probably pained him a lot.

 

 

I noticed that a lot of people take his actions very personally. This guy is epiphany of loyalty. It's just not YOU he's loyal to. It's the Empire.

 

 

If we're not talking about warrior switching sides, I have no idea how anything he says can be interpreted as such.

 

I'm not referring to faction sides - the story forces us to pick one whereas I would rather have annihilated them both as I have my own faction now. I'm talking about Malavai himself. His previous actions and letters (after his first betrayal) where he pledges his devotion to YOU and your cause now and in the future. In my story he decided to put the warrior above everything (and went to prison rather than agree to the Empire's version of what happened to his wife). So in my story Quinn re-siding with the Empire doesn't add up; I think he would have sided with his wife after all their history & all he/she/they had been through no matter what. To make him throw a bomb that could potentially injure/kill his wife and do Acina's bidding without giving us a clear reason why makes no sense to me. If I had my way he would have ditched the Empire the minute he was face-to-face with his wife.

Edited May 6, 2017 by Sarova

[grania]

I'm not referring to faction sides - the story forces us to pick one whereas I would rather have annihilated them both as I have my own faction now. I'm talking about Malavai himself. His previous actions and letters (after his first betrayal) where he pledges his devotion to YOU and your cause now and in the future. In my story he decided to put the warrior above everything (and went to prison rather than agree to the Empire's version of what happened to his wife). So in my story Quinn re-siding with the Empire doesn't add up; I think he would have sided with his wife after all their history & all he/she/they had been through no matter what. To make him throw a bomb that could potentially injure/kill his wife and do Acina's bidding without giving us a clear reason why makes no sense to me. If I had my way he would have ditched the Empire the minute he was face-to-face with his wife.

 

I can't say it doesn't rub me the wrong way that Quinn is described in his bio as being "groomed to serve as Acina's advisor and confidant". She trying to steal my man? I guess that's one reason I'd want to pick pubs. There will be no "grooming", or "serving" or "confiding" with Acina while I'm around.

[Edyn]

I can't say it doesn't rub me the wrong way that Quinn is described in his bio as being "groomed to serve as Acina's advisor and confidant". She trying to steal my man? I guess that's one reason I'd want to pick pubs. There will be no "grooming", or "serving" or "confiding" with Acina while I'm around.

 

I don't understand why, of all people in the Empire, Acina picks a jailed Captain who's been out of the loop for years to be her advisor and confidant. The only way it makes sense to me if she's using him for inside info on the Wrath... for all other Classes, it just doesn't make sense.

 

Also, I fully understand Quinn siding with the Empire, but I hate the romanced part at the end where it feels like he's pulling a, "oh, hey by the way... since I'm about to be imprisoned again, I wanted to say I still have feelings for you in an attempt to play on your heartstrings and save my own skin rather than resume a legitimate relationship." I feel like my Wrath would have to be sap to buy into that nonsense.

Edited May 6, 2017 by Edyn

[Ralei]

I'm not referring to faction sides - the story forces us to pick one whereas I would rather have annihilated them both as I have my own faction now. I'm talking about Malavai himself. His previous actions and letters (after his first betrayal) where he pledges his devotion to YOU and your cause now and in the future. In my story he decided to put the warrior above everything (and went to prison rather than agree to the Empire's version of what happened to his wife). So in my story Quinn re-siding with the Empire doesn't add up; I think he would have sided with his wife after all their history & all he/she/they had been through no matter what. To make him throw a bomb that could potentially injure/kill his wife and do Acina's bidding without giving us a clear reason why makes no sense to me. If I had my way he would have ditched the Empire the minute he was face-to-face with his wife.

 

I feel the same way. He's already shown that he''ll choose his wife over the Empire. Maybe she had a strategy in choosing the Republic in that moment that would work out for the good of everyone. The Quinn who went to prison for his wife would have trusted her and resigned to Acina right there over holo. He's technically spent the last 7 years proving his love and loyalty to his wife, why would he throw it all away in that instant?

[Jagaimee]

I feel the same way. He's already shown that he''ll choose his wife over the Empire. Maybe she had a strategy in choosing the Republic in that moment that would work out for the good of everyone. The Quinn who went to prison for his wife would have trusted her and resigned to Acina right there over holo. He's technically spent the last 7 years proving his love and loyalty to his wife, why would he throw it all away in that instant?

 

Because the writers wanted to give people an excuse to kill him, and saying "He betrayed me once, over nine years ago in-story time," makes Sith Warriors look unbelievably petty? :/

I have no idea.

[grania]

I don't understand why, of all people in the Empire, Acina picks a jailed Captain who's been out of the loop for years to be her advisor and confidant. The only way it makes sense to me if she's using him for inside info on the Wrath... for all other Classes, it just doesn't make sense.

 

Because she browses inmate logs as a hobby and found one that was strikingly handsome? And she was like "I want THAT one. To be my.. advisor, yes that's it." I don't even know.

[RuthSimpson]

I feel the same way. He's already shown that he''ll choose his wife over the Empire. Maybe she had a strategy in choosing the Republic in that moment that would work out for the good of everyone. The Quinn who went to prison for his wife would have trusted her and resigned to Acina right there over holo. He's technically spent the last 7 years proving his love and loyalty to his wife, why would he throw it all away in that instant?

 

The warrior is the Empire's Wrath. A symbol of the Empire. Alot of the Quinn romance is based on them both serving the empire. Just cus Quinn went to prison for 7 years for the wrath, his wife doesn't mean he would understand the defection to the Republic. If anything it makes it worse. The wife he loved and trusted so much, that he sacrificed everything for has abandoned what he most believed in. If anything he might be questioning if his wife is the same person he fell in love with. The only thing I think is out of character is him coming at the end round to the republic warrior. I mean, I'd feel pretty betrayed if that was me.

[Sarova]

I don't understand why, of all people in the Empire, Acina picks a jailed Captain who's been out of the loop for years to be her advisor and confidant. The only way it makes sense to me if she's using him for inside info on the Wrath... for all other Classes, it just doesn't make sense.

 

Also, I fully understand Quinn siding with the Empire, but I hate the romanced part at the end where it feels like he's pulling a, "oh, hey by the way... since I'm about to be imprisoned again, I wanted to say I still have feelings for you in an attempt to play on your heartstrings and save my own skin rather than resume a legitimate relationship." I feel like my Wrath would be sap to buy into that nonsense.

This makes the point about the writers for the Iokath story line not understanding or never playing the class story even more obvious. There is no other reason for Acina to single out Quinn other than to get at to the Warrior.

 

You're right about the romance at the end of the Iokath story too - the Wrath would have cut him dead right there rather than fall for that crap. It's like Quinn has forgotten he is married to her and spent years dedicated to finding her (if you chose that option). But then we all mentioned before that none of it makes sense as he's also wandering around the alliance base un-escorted and unchallenged even though he is at that point an enemy to the Alliance. I'm sure he did not learn to force persuade!

 

He's technically spent the last 7 years proving his love and loyalty to his wife, why would he throw it all away in that instant?

Exactly. The writers failed completely on this one - our Quinn of old would never do that. The more I do the Iokath story with my warriors, the more annoyed I get. The Quinn he became would have told Acina to eff off & sided with his wife the minute she said "you have your orders". They really made a hash of it and need to fix or make up for this in a future story line (and for Dorne too - she is also completely out of character - she was like my girl trooper's best friend but returned as a witch).

[grania]

Exactly. The writers failed completely on this one - our Quinn of old would never do that. The more I do the Iokath story with my warriors, the more annoyed I get. The Quinn he became would have told Acina to eff off & sided with his wife the minute she said "you have your orders". They really made a hash of it and need to fix or make up for this in a future story line (and for Dorne too - she is also completely out of character - she was like my girl trooper's best friend but returned as a witch).

 

I've only done it on two warriors but the more I think about it the more dissatisfied I am with it. I think I need to know what's happening next in the story before I trade in any more Malavai Quinns for Quinns.

[Lammia]

Did I imagine it, or did I read somewhere that the republic was responsible for Quinn's father's death? It seems so cruel to side with the republic and then blame Quinn for being momentarily troubled by it, even though he does ultimately stay with the warrior regardless.

 

His father died in a battle, in which Satele Shan participated on the other side (don't remember in what capacity).

 

I agree with the assessment that's it's out of character for Quinn to side with the republic-aligned warrior. We know now that BW won't shy away from companions, even LI companions, ditching the pc for decisions they've made in the story (Dorne). Maybe they just figured warriors have been through enough already with betrayals.

 

I honestly think that the only reason they did that was to give the switching sides warrior the chance to kill him too.

 

I'm sick of that word - betrayal, there must be a better way to describe what we're talking about here. Like you said, Quinn has a bit of agency, free-will. Must be why players are so irritated by him, as Lammia points out.

 

I especially don't like when people call him a "traitor". He's not one. He's loyal -- just not to you, that's all. Sure, you'd like him to be loyal to you, but well... tough luck.

 

I'm not referring to faction sides - the story forces us to pick one whereas I would rather have annihilated them both as I have my own faction now. I'm talking about Malavai himself. His previous actions and letters (after his first betrayal) where he pledges his devotion to YOU and your cause now and in the future. In my story he decided to put the warrior above everything (and went to prison rather than agree to the Empire's version of what happened to his wife). So in my story Quinn re-siding with the Empire doesn't add up; I think he would have sided with his wife after all their history & all he/she/they had been through no matter what. To make him throw a bomb that could potentially injure/kill his wife and do Acina's bidding without giving us a clear reason why makes no sense to me. If I had my way he would have ditched the Empire the minute he was face-to-face with his wife.

 

You do have a point. But I still think that the shock of you betraying the Empire could anger him in that moment sufficiently to go with the plan. He's composed and usually hides his feelings well, but it doesn't mean he doesn't have them.

 

The fault is also on you for betraying the Empire -- one constant in his life. Then he cooled down, forgave you your betrayal, decided he loved you more than the Empire after all, and approached you again.

 

But it's your story, so your interpretation is valid for you

 

From a general perspective, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

Because the writers wanted to give people an excuse to kill him, and saying "He betrayed me once, over nine years ago in-story time," makes Sith Warriors look unbelievably petty? :/

I have no idea.

 

Is this "second betrayal" even reflected in murdering him in the dialogue? In one vid I watched once and won't ever again, I don't remember hearing it. But my memory sucks, so I could be wrong thinking that it's not mentioned, and she yells at him for something that happened ages ago only.

 

 

Fortunately, none of this is my warrior's problem, because she's not a traitor, and didn't switch sides to ally with the enemy...

 

I've only done it on two warriors but the more I think about it the more dissatisfied I am with it. I think I need to know what's happening next in the story before I trade in any more Malavai Quinns for Quinns.

 

I didn't it on one, my main, and won't on any more. I don't see the point of breaking him down for all my girls. If they fixed lack of customisation in the story, I'd run it on once more, but I think they don't care to fix it, so I won't bother.

[Edyn]

I've only done it on two warriors but the more I think about it the more dissatisfied I am with it. I think I need to know what's happening next in the story before I trade in any more Malavai Quinns for Quinns.

I think that's an accurate statement. We traded in a full character at the beginning of KOTFE and then received half of that character during Iokath. Take away "my lord," the Empire romance letter and the original voice actor, and Quinn's place could be filled any Imperial Joe that any Class happened to bump into prior to KOTFE.

Edited May 6, 2017 by Edyn

[Sarova]

I really hope Keith the Producer has read the last couple of pages of this thread. The honeymoon of Malavai Quinns return has worn off and hell hath no fury like a Quinnmancer scorned (pitchforks worldwide are being sharpened ) It's time to give us something of an improvement for the Malavai Quinn we have known for the last decade or so (story wise). A good start would be to fix Quinn's customisation for the Iokath story, then fix his stronghold decoration and return his name to Malavai Quinn. Then please tell us you have something more planned. Even some "quality time" with his warrior in a near future story arc would be great. Let's face it whenever the poor "commander" wakes it's almost always to the snot-nosed face of Lana-the-story-overlord. This has to stop.

[Lammia]

the snot-nosed face of Lana-the-story-overlord.

 

"the snot-nose" hahahahaha!

 

If they can't make him back "Malavai Quinn" for whatever technical reasons, I'd settle for "Major Quinn".

[Sarova]

"the snot-nose" hahahahaha!

 

If they can't make him back "Malavai Quinn" for whatever technical reasons, I'd settle for "Major Quinn".

Didn't we have some consort names for him a while back? I shall have to look. I really hope they can give him his original "Malavai Quinn" back. Or I'd settle for "Malavai".

[Edyn]

"the snot-nose" hahahahaha!

 

If they can't make him back "Malavai Quinn" for whatever technical reasons, I'd settle for "Major Quinn".

If they can bring back Elara Dorne as Elara Dorne, I don't know why they wouldn't be able to bring back Malavai Quinn as Malavai Quinn.

[Lammia]

If they can bring back Elara Dorne as Elara Dorne, I don't know why they wouldn't be able to bring back Malavai Quinn as Malavai Quinn.

 

Good point!

[Nightfrogger]

Good point!

 

But if they fixed it would I still be able to have my two Quinn's in my bedchamber in my stronghold....I like having two

[Dylinrae]

I haven't had time to write here/play the game lately.

 

I think Quinn was probably not the only one whom Acina freed. Lorman must have put a lot of people in jail, given how stupid he is.

 

I basically like Acina, but I'm mad she throws Quinn against the wall. Although she did it in a sort of crazed state...but it's still unacceptable.

 

I hope Quinn gets the rank Colonel soon, because he deserves it a lot!

Edited May 7, 2017 by Dylinrae

[Sarova]

But if they fixed it would I still be able to have my two Quinn's in my bedchamber in my stronghold....I like having two

How is this possible? I don't have two /Quinnenvy

[Lammia]

How is this possible? I don't have two /Quinnenvy

 

You should. you should have the old one, and the new one. Take a good look in your comp decos.

 

I thought of something recently...

If you did the Seeker Droid mission, you already met Acina before, and it's possible that he did too, if you dragged him along to talk to her. Now, in my interpretation of what happened, she messed up, failed in her duties, and you are sent to fix the mess she made.

 

How can he serve someone this incompetent? Sith really have to be scary, because I can't imagine him having any respect for her after seeing that. From what little we got to see of her later (letting Lorman run rampage, apparently doing things without her knowledge or approval -- unless she was ok with Quinn being imprisoned for years -- and finally going totally bonkers on Iokath in Rep story), she hardly improved.

 

Poor guy surrounded by incompetence. It had to drive him crazy.

[Dylinrae]

Because she browses inmate logs as a hobby and found one that was strikingly handsome? And she was like "I want THAT one. To be my.. advisor, yes that's it." I don't even know.

 

Haha, I like this version.

She blushes, thinking how hot he is, and winks at Quinn.

Quinn then thinks: "Oh, not again." He is either "harassed" by the ladies who are attracted to him, or gets screwed up by his idiotic superiors.