TrixxieTriss Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Hi Eric, Bio, etc, Is there any chance you guys might add a way to swap the sex of an already established character, the same way as you can swap race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX_Angel Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 How about AC change while we're at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorkieX Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 I seem to remember this being asked before, sadly because of certain flags if I recall right it was said no before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eshvara Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 (edited) I doubt that would ever work, you'd romance Kira as a male, swap to female, romance gone? As you can't be gay with vanilla characters. I'm sure there are other issues as well, but that's the first one that came to mind. Never gonna happen! As levelling is easy enough, I'd just reroll if I wanted a gender change. Edited November 1, 2016 by Eshvara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share Posted November 1, 2016 (edited) I doubt that would ever work, you'd romance Kira as a male, swap to female, romance gone? As you can't be gay with vanilla characters. I'm sure there are other issues as well, but that's the first one that came to mind. Never gonna happen! As levelling is easy enough, I'd just reroll if I wanted a gender change. Who cares if it makes you gay or not. It should still be an option. I've been asking for the gay option for a long time anyway. I really don't see the issue, the responses to the story don't need to change, they just need to be unisex. But I've argued that point over and over for many years. I'm not going to fall into that trap again. Maybe as a work around to this "falsely" perceived issue, they could limit the sex swap to characters that have already finished the vanilla story. I can't see how that can cause any issues with them being gay or flagging story problems. Edited November 1, 2016 by TrixxieTriss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eshvara Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 (edited) Who cares if it makes you gay or not. It should still be an option. I've been asking for the gay option for a long time anyway. I really don't see the issue, the responses to the story don't need to change, they just need to be unisex. But I've argued that point over and over for many years. I'm not going to fall into that trap again. Maybe as a work around to this "falsely" perceived issue, they could limit the sex swap to characters that have already finished the vanilla story. I can't see how that can cause any issues with them being gay or flagging story problems. It's not about who cares about if they are gay or not, it's about the most likely technical complications. I don't know what trap you're talking about, but I assume, you're making certain assumptions that don't apply to this argument. Things would probably be very buggy or really hard to implement making it not worth doing so. Like repeating vanilla content on hard mode like kotet and kotfe. Even if you have finished Vanilla, it's not like everything just stops there. That said, I'm not against a sex swap, I don't see why anyone would. But I can see that it's going to be a real challenge getting it into the game with things as they are in Swtor. This isn't WoW where a toons "husk" doesn't really matter. And I guess with everything I've said, I kind of am against the idea from a technical point of view, as implementing this would take a lot of time and cost a lot of money. It's not worth it when there are other things far more important than a gender swap. Edited November 1, 2016 by Eshvara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pscyon Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Previous official developer response to this is that it's never going to happen, the characters' genders are tied into too many things (including above mentioned story and dialogue flags) and making a disconnection is technically unfeasible. Note they didn't say it was impossible, just not a reasonable thing to do. And considering how buggy things are often left in TOR even when they're minor, easy-to-fix things, it really is for the best that they don't hack away at core character mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomla Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Who cares if it makes you gay or not. Nobody, stop reading what isn't there. It can't be done because of technical limitations with regards to vanilla characters and romance. Nobody cares if characters are gay or not, the limitations in the story and dialogue do though. It would mean reworking a lot of lines which they won't or can't do. That's all they were saying, they weren't arguing on whether gay characters should be in the game or not. Whether that should have been in from the start is an entirely different debate and has no bearing on what can and can't be done with regards to in game sex change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eshvara Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Nobody, stop reading what isn't there. It can't be done because of technical limitations with regards to vanilla characters and romance. Nobody cares if characters are gay or not, the limitations in the story and dialogue do though. It would mean reworking a lot of lines which they won't or can't do. That's all they were saying, they weren't arguing on whether gay characters should be in the game or not. Whether that should have been in from the start is an entirely different debate and has no bearing on what can and can't be done with regards to in game sex change. Basically all of this. People disagreeing on the sex swap doesn't mean they're against people being gay or their characters. It's like you just want to purposefully see it that way. Which is rather sad. (To the op) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRomanRuler Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 (edited) How about AC change while we're at it? This would be good. They have same story anyway, just need to change abilities and weapons etc. I literally have no way to find out if i like playing as sniper or operative before i have tried them and levelled them to higher levels. And if i am average guy who does not play 24 hours a day like i do, i would not bother to making new character. Advanced classes share everything expect weapons and abilities - should not be hard to give players option to change without having to play trough the game in exactly the same way just to get advanced class you want. No it is not same as allowing you to change from Imperial Agent to Sith Warrior, as story and weapons and abilities and companions and dialogue and armor and so much more is completely different. Advanced class is quite close to being just that, advanced class. Not different class. I don´t care what other games do with their equilevant of advanced classes unless it helps to improve SWTOR, as i am not talking about those games, i talk about SWTOR. Edited November 1, 2016 by TheRomanRuler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEnrique Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 All I can say is "Creepy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 Basically all of this. People disagreeing on the sex swap doesn't mean they're against people being gay or their characters. It's like you just want to purposefully see it that way. Which is rather sad. (To the op) Wow, seems like all of you are making the issue of it. I put it in as a disclaimer so you knew my point of view. The sex swap could still be done in vanilla if they took the flags out and just made it unisex. It's not technically impossible as others have indicated. All that is needed is a few lines or changes of code that stop it asking "is this a male character or is it a female one". ie change from "if x=x, then do 'a' and "if x=y, then do 'b'... to "if x or y =x, then do 'a' or 'b'. That is an over simplification, obviously real coding is different. But I do coding and it's not hard to change flags. It might take some time though, but that's what interns and plebs are for. As long as they test properly it before it went live, then it wouldn't need to even cost much to implement. Regardless, I offered another solution that doesn't effect any vanilla content at all. Allow people to swap, but only once that character has completed the vanilla companion stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 This would be good. They have same story anyway, just need to change abilities and weapons etc. I literally have no way to find out if i like playing as sniper or operative before i have tried them and levelled them to higher levels. And if i am average guy who does not play 24 hours a day like i do, i would not bother to making new character. Advanced classes share everything expect weapons and abilities - should not be hard to give players option to change without having to play trough the game in exactly the same way just to get advanced class you want. No it is not same as allowing you to change from Imperial Agent to Sith Warrior, as story and weapons and abilities and companions and dialogue and armor and so much more is completely different. Advanced class is quite close to being just that, advanced class. Not different class. I don´t care what other games do with their equilevant of advanced classes unless it helps to improve SWTOR, as i am not talking about those games, i talk about SWTOR. Agreed, changing the Advanced class should have been an option all along, the same as how you can change disaplines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralei Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 If they ever figured it out, that would be a nice shortcut to romancing the same sex. I'd totally start as female, romance quinn, then switch to male Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEnrique Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I'm sorry but I don't understand why you would make a character for example, male and then later down the line want to make it a female. Why not just make another toon and make it female? Isn't that the point of additional character slots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_plankskull Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 If they ever figured it out, that would be a nice shortcut to romancing the same sex. I'd totally start as female, romance quinn, then switch to male ...and if Quinn isn't into Males...? I don't agree with making all comps open to any form of romance, as much like real life, not everyone is bisexual, and not everyone is straight, people have different likes or interests and I can only see very few vanilla companions being bisexual, IE Kaliyo. Story> a selective amount of player interests, I would much rather have the story fit the user than it bend to the person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilikaa Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 This should NEVER be an option in any game, same goes for species/race change. You made the choice to be a male Zabrak Knight you should have to live with that. No leveling up then switching to a female Mirialan. There need to be permanent choices and your gender is one of them. I hope BW never allows gender swapping. Live with your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEnrique Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 ...and if Quinn isn't into Males...? I don't agree with making all comps open to any form of romance, as much like real life, not everyone is bisexual, and not everyone is straight, people have different likes or interests and I can only see very few vanilla companions being bisexual, IE Kaliyo. Story> a selective amount of player interests, I would much rather have the story fit the user than it bend to the person. I could see Jaesa being bi. Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralei Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 ...and if Quinn isn't into Males...? I don't agree with making all comps open to any form of romance, as much like real life, not everyone is bisexual, and not everyone is straight, people have different likes or interests and I can only see very few vanilla companions being bisexual, IE Kaliyo. Story> a selective amount of player interests, I would much rather have the story fit the user than it bend to the person. You're not going to compare a space wizard game to real life, are you now? Story fit the user? You mean like, me, the user? The one who pays for it? Or the fictional character Quinn, who is absolutely straight in real life ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEnrique Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) You're not going to compare a space wizard game to real life, are you now? Story fit the user? You mean like, me, the user? The one who pays for it? Or the fictional character Quinn, who is absolutely straight in real life ? I have to admit that it does kinda suck that there wasn't a male or female companion in the original class storylines that was bi, although I have always wondered if Talos was gay. Lol! Edited November 2, 2016 by DarthEnrique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithKoriandr Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Wow, seems like all of you are making the issue of it. I put it in as a disclaimer so you knew my point of view. The sex swap could still be done in vanilla if they took the flags out and just made it unisex. It's not technically impossible as others have indicated. All that is needed is a few lines or changes of code that stop it asking "is this a male character or is it a female one". ie change from "if x=x, then do 'a' and "if x=y, then do 'b'... to "if x or y =x, then do 'a' or 'b'. That is an over simplification, obviously real coding is different. But I do coding and it's not hard to change flags. It might take some time though, but that's what interns and plebs are for. As long as they test properly it before it went live, then it wouldn't need to even cost much to implement. Regardless, I offered another solution that doesn't effect any vanilla content at all. Allow people to swap, but only once that character has completed the vanilla companion stories. No, the reason it can't be done, is because it would need slight voice rework due to gender pronouns. We also have no idea if models of the character are tied to the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_plankskull Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 You're not going to compare a space wizard game to real life, are you now? Story fit the user? You mean like, me, the user? The one who pays for it? Or the fictional character Quinn, who is absolutely straight in real life ? People in this space wizard fantasy world function similar to in real life, and with the exception of most of star wars lore VERY few people have been stated to be something other than straight. And uh.. yeah.. I meant for it to NOT fit the user ... :(/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 No, the reason it can't be done, is because it would need slight voice rework due to gender pronouns. We also have no idea if models of the character are tied to the scenes. Actually they wouldn't. But I'm happy to be proven wrong. Can you provide a cut scene that would require a rework for gender pronouns as I have never come across one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthEnrique Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) And uh.. yeah.. I meant for it to NOT fit the user ... :(/ But male characters can flirt with Theron! Please don't take my Theron away from me, he's the only one I enjoyed romancing cause it got funny in SoR. Plus for an animated character he's hot! *cries* Edited November 2, 2016 by DarthEnrique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrixxieTriss Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 This should NEVER be an option in any game, same goes for species/race change. You made the choice to be a male Zabrak Knight you should have to live with that. No leveling up then switching to a female Mirialan. There need to be permanent choices and your gender is one of them. I hope BW never allows gender swapping. Live with your choice. Mad much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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