darocks Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Im not trying to start a fight or anything i just want honest opinions with the news the BW is hiring for a new IP and as we see slow updates less fixes less and less news coming from BW. What do YOU personally think or feel. Which direction do you think or feel the game is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tashia Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I feel like the game is fine -- life left in the " old girl" still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict_Nephilim Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) ----- Edited August 23, 2021 by Relict_Nephilim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderMid Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Coming to an end? No. I do believe that maintenance mode isn't too far off. There are signs that may be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darocks Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 I think the game has not-so-secretly gone into what most people call 'Maintenance Mode'. Meaning EA/BW will milk it for as much as they possibly can before closing it, and as long as the profit is above a certain % they will keep it open. But, the producer will have to 'do more with less' to keep the doors open, as the IP loses players and funding. What it means for you as a player is more manipulative tactics like the shenanigans of the last Cartel Market Packs, Less Customer Support (is that possible?), and less and less content being added to the game. It will stay open for a while, but be less and less worth playing. Unless EA/BW decide to switch directions (I hope), but right now this is the path they are on. Maintenance Mode wonderful use of the term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianDavion Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 nah, if they where gonna end the game they'd not be hiring new people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icestar Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) It all depends what they do after the chapters. They have said that the story chapters are what they are focusing on and that is exactly what we get. The Star Wars concept is a goldmine, I do not think they will abandon that yet now with more movies comming. They should focus on bringing in more players and try to activate the community a bit more, make new players want to come and join the fun. Edited February 17, 2016 by Icestar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderMid Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 nah, if they where gonna end the game they'd not be hiring new people. Yeah, they are hiring people....for a new mmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Do I think so? No. The signs are simply not there, as most games that DID close had some signs it was happening...this one doesn't have any of those tell tale signs IMO. FE represents a significant expense IMO. There was little to no need for the expansion, other than perhaps to increase subscription levels. Now, perhaps FE did not reduce churn rate, and certainly a few recent missteps didn't help things, but frankly there just isnt the lack of patronage that would be required as a symptom. Nor is there a lack of development or content IMO...it may not be content that some folks like, but it is STILL CONTENT. Now, is overall player levels declining? Perhaps. That I really can't speculate on. It doesn't seem that way to me, but it is possible. What is dying (or has died, IMO) is the standard MMO paradigm it seems. That DOES seem to be on it's way out, and not just here. Edited February 17, 2016 by LordArtemis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darocks Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 Do I think so? No. The signs are simply not there, as most games that DID close had some signs it was happening...this one doesn't have any of those tell tale signs IMO. FE represents a significant expense IMO. There was little to no need for the expansion, other than perhaps to increase subscription levels. Now, perhaps FE did not reduce churn rate, and certainly a few recent missteps didn't help things, but frankly there just isnt the lack of patronage that would be required as a symptom. Nor is there a lack of development or content IMO...it may not be content that some folks like, but it is STILL CONTENT. Now, is overall player levels declining? Perhaps. That I really can't speculate on. It doesn't seem that way to me, but it is possible. What is dying (or has died, IMO) is the standard MMO paradigm it seems. That DOES seem to be on it's way out, and not just here. Very well written thank you for your input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianDavion Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Yeah, they are hiring people....for a new mmo. they're hiring a server support admin, it doesn't nesscarily follow that they're making a new MMO. they could be doing any number of things, including restarting work on Shadow Realms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_plankskull Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Nor is there a lack of development or content IMO...it may not be content that some folks like, but it is STILL CONTENT. There is a clear lack of content with the rise of KOTFE. KOTFE only offers 9 (now 10) chapters of story, which are okay, and a few variations of star fortresses. ROTHC had - Two different planetary arcs from a different perspective, one empire, and one republic for Makeb, and Makeb isn't exactly a small planet either. Plenty of side quests and a new repeatable quest line once finished with the main storyline. Dread seeder story arc. Macro binocular story arc. Fully voiced. Two new operations. (Yes, I'm still counting TC) KOTFE so far has - 10 chapters, nine released at once, all from the same perspective, regardless of class. These are all very tight space areas with little to no room exploring, although it looks great, it lacks the ability to be explored. Two planets, one is a VERY miniscule hub, another VERY small planet, yet detailed city. Very few side quests, all of which feature a companion and a lack of voice from the character. "Star Fortresses" which is basically 7 instanced areas which offers very little to no replay ability. Edited February 17, 2016 by peter_plankskull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarbuch Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Yes, i do think the game is moving to Maintenance Mode. There does not seem to be enough developers and QA assigned to SWTOR, that is shown clearly in the number of bugs and other un-intended features ending into live servers. The BW has clearly lost the plot between new features introduced in broken state (Armormech, Syntweaving, Artifice), while breaking the existing game mechanics in OPS and other areas, gold mobs do not drop loot at all in many places, strong droids in many places are exhibiting the same trend. Mobs do not longer drop companion gift items or the drop chance has been reduced to near Zero. Daily missions for FPs are missing, you get the daily reward for the FPs using group finder but the daily mision is no longer available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NakodaTheJedi Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Im not trying to start a fight or anything i just want honest opinions with the news the BW is hiring for a new IP and as we see slow updates less fixes less and less news coming from BW. What do YOU personally think or feel. Which direction do you think or feel the game is going. all they would have to do is put a swtor trailer in one of the new movies and bam theyre back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relict_Nephilim Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) ----- Edited August 23, 2021 by Relict_Nephilim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaytonL Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) 4 years ago - this game is dead... no one is going to play this ***** anymore, it sucks 3 years ago - this game is dead... no one is going to play this ***** anymore, it sucks 2 years ago - this game is dead... no one is going to play this ***** anymore, it sucks 1 year ago - this game is dead... no one is going to play this ***** anymore, it sucks so ... yeah.. it's going to die any minute... it's true, many people have left this game, but it is also true that many new players arrived. i wish we had numbers to see : how many are subscribed, how many of those where active the last 30 days.. how many people left (unsubscribed and inactive for longer then 30 days) , how many new people arrived or old ones came back... would be interesting to know. i just don't think it is coming to an end soon. Edited February 17, 2016 by ClaytonL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianDavion Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 There is a clear lack of content with the rise of KOTFE. KOTFE only offers 9 (now 10) chapters of story, which are okay, and a few variations of star fortresses. ROTHC had - Two different planetary arcs from a different perspective, one empire, and one republic for Makeb, and Makeb isn't exactly a small planet either. Plenty of side quests and a new repeatable quest line once finished with the main storyline. Oricon story arc, slightly different between empire/republic medium sized map.WRONG! Oricon did not come out until patch 2.4 CZ-198 story arc. WRONG! it was Patch 2.3 Forged alliances story arc part I and II. WRONG Patch 2.10ish Dread seeder story arc. Macro binocular story arc. Fully voiced. Two new operations. WRONG at launch we only got ONE new Operation, unless you're really counting Toborro's Courtyard. Terror from Beyond was a elvel 50 op raised to 55. calling it a new op for 2.0 would be no differant from claiming 4.0 gave us 9 new raids Four new flashpoints. WRONG when 2.0 launched we had no new flashpoints, some older flashpoints where upscaled to 55 and used as the hard modes at the time KOTFE so far has - 10 chapters, nine released at once, all from the same perspective, regardless of class. These are all very tight space areas with little to no room exploring, although it looks great, it lacks the ability to be explored. Two planets, one is a VERY miniscule hub, another VERY small planet, yet detailed city. Very few side quests, all of which feature a companion and a lack of voice from the character. "Star Fortresses" which is basically 7 instanced areas which offers very little to no replay ability. kindly remember 2.X was a year and a half developmental cycle, we're barely 3 months into 4.0. you can't compare what we got throughout that ENTIRE year and a half dev cycle to 4.0 at launch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiDonJorn Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Yep, just a month or two after Ch. 16 of KotFE gets released the announcement will come that the doors are closing. You guys should all probably prepare yourselves now, and get while the gettins good! Amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darocks Posted February 17, 2016 Author Share Posted February 17, 2016 4 years ago - this game is dead... no one is going to play this ***** anymore, it sucks 3 years ago - this game is dead... no one is going to play this ***** anymore, it sucks 2 years ago - this game is dead... no one is going to play this ***** anymore, it sucks 1 year ago - this game is dead... no one is going to play this ***** anymore, it sucks so ... yeah.. it's going to die any minute... it's true, many people have left this game, but it is also true that many new players arrived. i wish we had numbers to see : how many are subscribed, how many of those where active the last 30 days.. how many people left (unsubscribed and inactive for longer then 30 days) , how many new people arrived or old ones came back... would be interesting to know. i just don't think it is coming to an end soon. I wasn't saying its dying the game sucks Im not one of those people personally I love this game i play it everyday I just wanted to know how others feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeTone Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I've been subscribed from day 1 and heard the same question being asked over and over and over. 4 years later and the game is still adding new content at a faster pace than ever. I guess the doomsayers will be right eventually maybe next decade or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleries Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Yes all games will eventually end. The question is when. When do the publishing rights expire? There's your answer right there. Guaranteed Disney is anxiously waiting to jump in and get their own Star Wars mmorpg going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_plankskull Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 kindly remember 2.X was a year and a half developmental cycle, we're barely 3 months into 4.0. you can't compare what we got throughout that ENTIRE year and a half dev cycle to 4.0 at launch Welp... I... I thank you for this actually, I was only a f2p at the time and never paid attention to any of the new content that launched, going to edit... but all mistakes aside, the base of ROTHC is still far more than KOTFE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_plankskull Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) I've been subscribed from day 1 and heard the same question being asked over and over and over. 4 years later and the game is still adding new content at a faster pace than ever. I guess the doomsayers will be right eventually maybe next decade or something. Alright... well.. I got corrected in another post just above yours... so I.. I uh... prob.. probably lost some of my credibility... but 18 months without a new op isn't a faster pace than ever, and neither is 2 years without a warzone. Sure, there giving more story content than before faster, but the base of it is so miniscule so it really doesn't matter. Edited February 17, 2016 by peter_plankskull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenariusJay Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Yes all games will eventually end. The question is when. When do the publishing rights expire? There's your answer right there. Guaranteed Disney is anxiously waiting to jump in and get their own Star Wars mmorpg going. Yeah, IMO this is the only thing to legitimately worry about, this is the doom that looms over SWTOR future is the fact that Disney is not in on it - and they seem to run a tight ship and keep everything in house. SWTOR stands out like a sore thumb im sure to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dracmor Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The game has been and continues to be in maintenance mode. This doesn't mean the servers are going to be shut down anytime soon - mmos can run a really long time in such a mode. It just means one should not get one's hope up for, say a Wrath of the Lich King type expansion anytime soon... Best hope for a real expansion/new content? That EA/Bioware sells the game and it's engine to another development team. But since the game appears to make them money, even that is a slim hope at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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