MeNaCe-NZ Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Yup, our kids are closely monitored in their online activities (hell, I even blocked them from Youtube, though not because I was afeared of obscenities). We do let them play Star Wars. For the most part, they pretty much ignore chat. Every once in awhile, they come and ask what someone was talking about, and we explain it. As far as the obscenities go, that I don't worry too much about... they've heard it all before. Yup and as a parent you are well aware of what can occur in chat and have the option of disabling this as provided by EA. Ensure they are aware of the ignore functions also. I believe the swear filter is also already in place and needs to be manually turned off? The irony here is that even if EA were banning people for abuse that doesn't change the fact the abuse has already occurred and thus in the eyes of the other poster they are automatically liable every time someone abuses someone regardless of what actions they take or precautions they make short of just not allowing any chat, mail or msgs at all. It's rather ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codedrago Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Man, screw this. I'm going back to my safe space! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roccobb Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Yup and as a parent you are well aware of what can occur in chat and have the option of disabling this as provided by EA. Ensure they are aware of the ignore functions also. I believe the swear filter is also already in place and needs to be manually turned off? The irony here is that even if EA were banning people for abuse that doesn't change the fact the abuse has already occurred and thus in the eyes of the other poster they are automatically liable every time someone abuses someone regardless of what actions they take or precautions they make short of just not allowing any chat, mail or msgs at all. It's rather ludicrous. His stupid reasoning without proof. Not even Facebook has been found liable when someone DIES because of the bullying they received on Facebook. The person is responsible, but not Facebook. Yet somehow, liability is more strict on a video game you are supposed to kill people on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branmakmuffin Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I'm not saying that online interactions are rated, I'm saying no reasonable person would expect that providing a vehicle for interactions you KNOW are going to occur, or not taking actions when they do occur when it involves minors opens you up to liability. Surgeons have you sign paperwork which makes it SEEM like you waive personal liability every time they operate on you....it doesn't work though You are not waiving their negligence (actually I think you can waive mere negligence), you are essentially saying you won't sue them for battery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobFredJohn Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) OK, so this is from ESRB. What does that say under other? Other: Online Interactions Not Rated by the ESRB (Windows PC) Online interactions. Could that possibly mean interacting with other players? That is how it is advertised? http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.aspx?from=home&titleOrPublisher=star+wars+old+republic And here we have the true dunning-kruger test. Lets see if he will change his mind when presented with a copy and paste, along with a link, from BW about this game.... Nope You can't waive liability, especially when it's possibly criminal.... how many times do people need to say this? Criminal? people swearing or calling somebody moron or idiot (re-read OP) is criminal? An example from my life, the kickboxing club I attend sends out information (closures, grading's etc) by email. At the bottom of the email it says: "whilst all reasonable care has been taken to ensure that this message and any attachments therein are virus free it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that no viruses are contained. *company name* accepts no responsibility for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use." Companies are allowed to waive liability on issues outside their control. The actions of people on the internet are outside the control of BW. Edited February 2, 2016 by BobFredJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobFredJohn Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Man, screw this. I'm going back to my safe space! But this game is my safe space, I am about to have a panic attack. On a side note, I *********** hate this space crap. Edited February 2, 2016 by BobFredJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingUsPoo Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) I think I pee'd a little from laughing so hard. Thank you all. Arm chair jurisprudence is better than the Daily Show when John Stewart was still running it. ESRB as a legal contract. GOLD MAN! SOLID GOLD! Edited February 2, 2016 by FlyingUsPoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagy Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I think I pee'd a little from laughing so hard. Thank you all. Arm chair jurisprudence is better than the Daily Show when John Stewart was still running it. ESRB as a legal contract. GOLD MAN! SOLID GOLD!nm contract law, this was my favorite gem from the thread:According to the statute a minor even seeing obscenity once technically constitutes a crime. That's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhun Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 How did this thread go from "no bully pls" to arguing about the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkiduNineEight Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 How did this thread go from "no bully pls" to arguing about the law? Idiots on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eillack Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 How did this thread go from "no bully pls" to arguing about the law? No one realized that the OP was an attention addict, and left shortly after making this thread. Then the posters with loose screws took over. Rarely any mods on the forums, so this will last a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingUsPoo Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 If it ever dies down for more than a month, I'm gonna necro it with references to the US Constitution and citations to various Supreme Court rulings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codedrago Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 But this game is my safe space, I am about to have a panic attack. On a side note, I *********** hate this space crap. If you keep insulting my safe space, I'm gonna have to throw around the R word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoronmir Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 If it ever dies down for more than a month, I'm gonna necro it with references to the US Constitution and citations to various Supreme Court rulings.Speaking solely in my capacity as someone who has practiced law in the United States for more than twenty years, including cases involving Constitutional rights and twice appearing before the U.S. Supreme Court, the degree of legal expertise exhibited on these Forums always makes me throw up in my mouth a little. I confess, however, that the complete misuse of the term "waiver" is so amusing that I had to share it with my partners. It's rare to get eight lawyers of varying political and social beliefs to laugh at the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalLowlife Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Speaking solely in my capacity as someone who has practiced law in the United States for more than twenty years, including cases involving Constitutional rights and twice appearing before the U.S. Supreme Court, the degree of legal expertise exhibited on these Forums always makes me throw up in my mouth a little. I confess, however, that the complete misuse of the term "waiver" is so amusing that I had to share it with my partners. It's rare to get eight lawyers of varying political and social beliefs to laugh at the same thing. LOL! Who needs degrees & experience when you've got Wikipedia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagy Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Speaking solely in my capacity as someone who has practiced law in the United States for more than twenty years, including cases involving Constitutional rights and twice appearing before the U.S. Supreme Court, the degree of legal expertise exhibited on these Forums always makes me throw up in my mouth a little. I confess, however, that the complete misuse of the term "waiver" is so amusing that I had to share it with my partners. It's rare to get eight lawyers of varying political and social beliefs to laugh at the same thing.also shared it with a lawyer friend and his response via txt was "hahahahahahahahahaha" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffometer Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Speaking solely in my capacity as someone who has practiced law in the United States for more than twenty years, including cases involving Constitutional rights and twice appearing before the U.S. Supreme Court, the degree of legal expertise exhibited on these Forums always makes me throw up in my mouth a little. I confess, however, that the complete misuse of the term "waiver" is so amusing that I had to share it with my partners. It's rare to get eight lawyers of varying political and social beliefs to laugh at the same thing. At least it's not so common as armchair developers - I've worn my throat thin and been incredibly amused at times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adormitul Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Well the reason dear OP is because we are *****s as english say we like to hurt people we are sadists we enjoy to see others suffer. So that is why we are toxic and harras not because we have difference in opinions and we are stubborn its because we are *****s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branmakmuffin Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Speaking solely in my capacity as someone who has practiced law in the United States for more than twenty years, including cases involving Constitutional rights and twice appearing before the U.S. Supreme Court, the degree of legal expertise exhibited on these Forums always makes me throw up in my mouth a little. I confess, however, that the complete misuse of the term "waiver" is so amusing that I had to share it with my partners. It's rare to get eight lawyers of varying political and social beliefs to laugh at the same thing. You are not a very attentive or thorough lawyer, then, because, prior to this post of mine, they only place the word "waiver" appears in this entire thread is in your own post. The words "waive" and "waiving" have appeared. Edited February 2, 2016 by branmakmuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobFredJohn Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 If you keep insulting my safe space, I'm gonna have to throw around the R word! No, please don't, anything but that. PLEASE. I will do anything don't say the word. I will buy you a shrubbery (congrats if you get the reference, its quite tenuous). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codedrago Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 No, please don't, anything but that. PLEASE. I will do anything don't say the word. I will buy you a shrubbery (congrats if you get the reference, its quite tenuous). YOU SAID THE WORD! You white straight male scum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffometer Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 No, please don't, anything but that. PLEASE. I will do anything don't say the word. I will buy you a shrubbery (congrats if you get the reference, its quite tenuous). This is just perfect: linky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinjiRenee Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 So tired of seeing the excuse of "well it is toxic, but that is the nature of MMOs." No, that is an excuse you just made up to absolve yourself of any blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codedrago Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 So tired of seeing the excuse of "well it is toxic, but that is the nature of MMOs." No, that is an excuse you just made up to absolve yourself of any blame. It's not an excuse, it's a fact of life. People will be *******s when they're online and anonymous, but we are given tools to combat this. The only thing Bioware/EA can do more then they are currently doing is make ignore account wide and not just a single character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinjiRenee Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 It's not an excuse, it's a fact of life. People will be *******s when they're online and anonymous, but we are given tools to combat this. The only thing Bioware/EA can do more then they are currently doing is make ignore account wide and not just a single character. Again -- not a fact of life, stop making excuses for people who don't deserve it. Are you unable to act like a decent human being on the internet because of some involuntarily behavior? Are you compelled to attack people for no reason beyond "I can't stop myself?" And this thought that people are not bullies/trolls/whatever by nature, but by choice, does not preclude the idea that we should be provided tools to block said jerks-by-choice; that's not what I was saying at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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