nimmerstil Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) I am talking about that. It doesn't matter. Take the BB Scenario. I have 10 guys firing BB's at you. They're all coming at you at the same time. All guys fire on the mark of three. Tell me if the BB's are moving in slow motion and you are capable of moving in real time why you would be incapable of swatting the BB's out of your way? You won't answer this question and it makes no sense if you were capable of moving that fast why you'd be incapable of doing so. See your point. But the bolts are not moving slowly, you'd have to move very, very fast, within the time it takes a bolt to travel the reach of the saber (from far to near), to catch them all. The problem then is inertia, the forces required to accelerate the saber's hilt (and blade) through the different positions should not be so high as to break the bones in your body. Depends on the velocity of the bolts when that breaking point is reached. Edited October 8, 2015 by nimmerstil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codedrago Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I don't understand how a non force user would fit in either honestly. Valkorian can drain planets and has in the past just decided to "purge" the entire dark council. He is far beyond the average Sith or Jedi that a non force user would hope to defeat. This is where the story should vary the non force users shouldn't be going after the Emperor, this is where having class story is crucial. Trooper could go after enemy infrastructure and bases etc, agents and smugglers would go after key political or military leaders even counter espionage . While leaving the Emperor to the force classes since they are the only ones that would believably be involved. Perfect example Empire Strikes Back - Han attacks Vader, Han loses in 2 seconds flat. That's exactly what would happen if the BH/Agent/Troop/Smugg tried to attack the Emperor. And if the JK/JC/SI/SW tried to attack the Emperor, they'd get owned too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyltran Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) See your point. But the bolts are not moving slowly, you'd have to move very, very fast, within the time it takes a bolt to travel the reach of the saber (from far to near), to catch them all. The problem then is inertia, the forces required to accelerate the saber's hilt (and blade) through the different positions should not be so high as to break the bones in your body. Depends on the velocity of the bolts when that breaking point is reached. Force users can amplify their strength so they wouldn't have to worry about broken bones. Not that it matters because the saber's beam reflects the blaster bolts. A child can deflect a blaster bolt. It doesn't really leave much impact but yes force users have amplified their strength to do things such as punch through steel and more. Since we're talking about top tier force users that is within the realms of possibility. A good example? Luke skywalker hitting Vader's lightsaber hard enough to push him back and give him trouble hanging onto the blade. You know the guy that is mostly cyborg and has no issue lifting a man off the ground with one hand. (Using a movie example of strength.) As mentioned top tier force users can move faster than the eye can see and in all honesty Blaster Bolts don't seem to be as fast as bullets. The reason they're used aside from conventional firearms is that they can blow holes through the armors that people wear as well as the droids that are running around whereas a bullet wouldn't. Not that it would matter. There's Jedi that can move quick enough that the eye simply can't follow. Fast enough to leave after images and more. Edited October 8, 2015 by Rhyltran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithKoriandr Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 See your point. But the bolts are not moving slowly, you'd have to move very, very fast, within the time it takes a bolt to travel the reach of the saber (from far to near), to catch them all. The problem then is inertia, the forces required to accelerate the saber's hilt (and blade) through the different positions should not be so high as to break the bones in your body. Depends on the velocity of the bolts when that breaking point is reached. Watch the beginning of The Phantom Menace, both Qui Gon and Obi Wan display what could only be force speed in action, and it's a very fast dash when they run from the shielded droids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karkais Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) not to confront an army. Technically, he did. I am sure he didnt surrender himself just for the heck of it. He may not have fought them all, but he was ready for the possibility. As for the topic, the issue rests all on Biowares decision to have only one story for all classes. If there were separate stories like with class stories, non-force users would face opponents more suited to their abilities. It is somewhat obvious that jedi knight and sith warrior are the 'main' characters so to speak. For non-forceusers, Bioware is just hoping that players have enough willing suspension of disbelief coupled with Biowares hand-waving so they wont question the plot holes. Edited October 8, 2015 by Karkais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimmerstil Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Watch the beginning of The Phantom Menace, both Qui Gon and Obi Wan display what could only be force speed in action, and it's a very fast dash when they run from the shielded droids. If you can see them moving it's not the kind of speed we were thinking about in the blaster bolt debate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SithKoriandr Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 If you can see them moving it's not the kind of speed we were thinking about in the blaster bolt debate.. That's just it, you don't see them moving. You see them "WOOSH" away. It's a blink and you missed them run away part. Now, it could be that it was just bad special effects (I always considered that jump down from the air ducts (?) to look like pretty terrible cgi, but it's blinding speed shown there. Doubtful it's keep it up speed like the Flash, but more like that speed you see when first they're in front of you and then suddenly gone and behind you. Small distances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) Blaster Bolts don't seem to be as fast as bullets. The reason they're used aside from conventional firearms is that they can blow holes through the armors that people wear as well as the droids that are running around whereas a bullet wouldn't. Not that it would matter. There's Jedi that can move quick enough that the eye simply can't follow. Fast enough to leave after images and more. Actually by logic Rhyltran, blaster bolts should be faster then a bullet. They fire high energy particle laser beams, a particle accelerator can move particles at 99.999988% lightspeed. Turbolasers/Laser Cannons are confirmed as firing at lightspeeds, which uses the same principals as blaster weaponry. Slugthrowers which would be considered firearms similar to Earth, can spit out bullets(slugs) at hypersonic speeds. Given all of that, it makes no sense for a blaster bolt to be slower than a bullet, at best they should be at the speed or above that given the logic. Not saying that the particle/laser beams from blasters move at lightspeed, but looking at it...they should be far faster than a bullet or at the same speed. The light bolt that is actually seen is merely harmless, the actual hit itself is faster. Edited October 8, 2015 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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