Zoom_VI Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 So on a idea spurred on by a sniper posting about using aim augs for MM I tested a cunning augment versus a Aim aug on my VG. For those not familiar with the idea, here is a test switching out a single augment. Cunning Aug Aim aug The tech bonus damage is the same, but the tech crit is higher with the cunning aug. It worked on my merc too although I didn't take screenshots. Bonus healing is less with cunning than with aim. Just eyeballing it, it won't mean anything for PvE where single target is king, and tactic's won't get any use because of HiBs prolific use. However I'm thinking it might be good for a PvP Plasmatech to take some cunning. Plasmatech's functions as a pressure spec in PvP so it's goal is to dotspread 'n AoE all the thingies which should depreciate the damage loss on HiB. Plus it's PvP so we don't give a crap about Hammer Shot. Although the crit increase is also very minor so I'm not sure. So what do ya'll think? Comments? Ideas? Threats of violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RendValor Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 The only cunning you should ever have as a PT/VG comes from datacrons, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venomlash Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 That's 0.06% crit per augment, which will be MINUSCULE even with a full set of 14 augs (total to 0.84% extra tech crit, ignoring diminishing returns). And in exchange for that, you lose a bunch of ranged damage. I suspect the losses just from HIB on cooldown (let alone Hammer Shots while closing on a target) will outweigh the benefits. Stick to datacrons for cunning. Gear yourself with Aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaos_KidSWTOR Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 That's 0.06% crit per augment, which will be MINUSCULE even with a full set of 14 augs (total to 0.84% extra tech crit, ignoring diminishing returns). And in exchange for that, you lose a bunch of ranged damage. I suspect the losses just from HIB on cooldown (let alone Hammer Shots while closing on a target) will outweigh the benefits. Stick to datacrons for cunning. Gear yourself with Aim. Wow, that's early to bash one of the 3 best theory crafters and 2 best PT/VG players in existence (KBN and TACeMossie are the other people i'm referring to) IMO, If you see a DPS increase in Warzones, then use it. The HiB/RaS damage isn't going to be that bad. Since you Auto Crit on it anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted June 5, 2015 Author Share Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) IMO, If you see a DPS increase in Warzones, then use it. The HiB/RaS damage isn't going to be that bad. Since you Auto Crit on it anyways. You can't actually use warzone DPS as a argument unfortunately, there is way too much variance from warzone to warzone. You would have to average hundreds of warzones just to establish a semi-usable average. This is why I like to pose these kind of questions. Most of what many PvP'ers view as facts are really just hearsay that comes from people just eyeballing it and saying "well this looks about right." Edited June 5, 2015 by Zoom_VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzMeshurik Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Here you go Crinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted June 5, 2015 Author Share Posted June 5, 2015 Here you go Crinn. #CunningVanguards2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToMyMa Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Wow, that's early to bash one of the 3 best theory crafters and 2 best PT/VG players in existence (KBN and TACeMossie are the other people i'm referring to) IMO, If you see a DPS increase in Warzones, then use it. The HiB/RaS damage isn't going to be that bad. Since you Auto Crit on it anyways. Since when did we crown the best PT/VG player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACeMossie Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Since when did we crown the best PT/VG player? Yeah! While PvE wise I may be top percentage level, I'm definately not top 2, and PvP wise... Well... Lets just say I really suck there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamendra Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I loled at the title. Had to come see for meself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arehonn Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I don't use cunning, but I do use an item that's a little unconventional and probably forgotten: a Matrix Cube. It bolsters really, really well in warzones. With my current gear set, it brings my bolstered crit to over 29 percent on my Plasmatech. I started doing this because if I recall correctly, they made a change with the relics so both share the same 20 second cooldown. I figured all I would need is one relic and go with the extra bolstered stats the Matrix Cube uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) I don't use cunning, but I do use an item that's a little unconventional and probably forgotten: a Matrix Cube. It bolsters really, really well in warzones. With my current gear set, it brings my bolstered crit to over 29 percent on my Plasmatech. I started doing this because if I recall correctly, they made a change with the relics so both share the same 20 second cooldown. I figured all I would need is one relic and go with the extra bolstered stats the Matrix Cube uses. Only relics of the same type share lockouts. You can use both the Devastating Vengeance and the Serendipitous assault relics together, and they won't share a lockout. Although yes matrix cubes do bolster well, grizz likes trolling with them. Edited June 11, 2015 by Zoom_VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaoZhao Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) Let's entertain this for a moment. Let's pretend that cunning augments are marginally better than aim augments. This would only be the case because of a developer oversight. As soon gearing PTs for cunning became popular, BioWare would surely change it. Then you'd be left with a big hole in your space wallet from all of the cash you spent on buying and installing those cunning augments. Sounds like an eventual waste of cash. Buy pretty dyes instead. Edited June 15, 2015 by HaoZhao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted June 15, 2015 Author Share Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) Let's entertain this for a moment. Let's pretend that cunning augments are marginally better than aim augments. This would only be the case because of a developer oversight. As soon gearing PTs for cunning became popular, BioWare would surely change it. Then you'd be left with a big hole in your space wallet from all of the cash you spent on buying and installing those cunning augments. Sounds like an eventual waste of cash. Buy pretty dyes instead. The cat is already out of the bag on that one considering it BiS for PvP Marksman snipers to use half aim gear. Not aim augments, aim gear. Besides given the way bioware seems to balance DPS for classes I doubt they will ever do anything about it as long as it does not become BiS for raiding. Edited June 15, 2015 by Zoom_VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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