Joesixxpack Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) AWESOME WORK!! Good to hear this communicated openly. Thank you... How about we get a Sub TOKEN model (Token/Credits) like WOW and ELIMINATE them completely (Okay 95%)? How's that work? Are we talking about something similar (my last post)? Edited May 6, 2015 by Joesixxpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDymond Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Whoa, nice work - hopefully this will translate into actually seeing less of the spam itself too. Thanks for the transparency, too - keep up the good work on both fronts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azudelphi Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) How's that work? Are we talking about something similar (my last post)? Something like you can buy subscription time as an in-game item which can be sold to other players for credits. This allows players to turn their $ -> credits through a controlled method by BW. That's what I am guessing based on my knowledge of PLEX from EVE. Edited May 6, 2015 by azudelphi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dscount Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 How's that work? Are we talking about something similar (my last post)? Seems like its priced controlled, but you can (IN Game) buy 30 day sub token for credits. You can with "REAL MONEY" buy these tokens and sell for in game credits. (or gold I guess). So if you are broke in game, but have cash in real life to burn.. buy and sell it in game. (WOW has it controlled a LOT apparently). Basically it's just moving credits around, but makes a MORE legit means to buy credits (Beyond CM pack selling). Cuts into profits of credit sellers more as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesixxpack Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Something like you can buy subscription time as an in-game item which can be sold to other players for credits. This allows players to turn their $ -> credits through a controlled method by BW. That's what I am guessing based on my knowledge of PLEX from EVE. Ah ok that, thanks. Edited May 6, 2015 by Joesixxpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesixxpack Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Seems like its priced controlled, but you can (IN Game) buy 30 day sub token for credits. You can with "REAL MONEY" buy these tokens and sell for in game credits. (or gold I guess). So if you are broke in game, but have cash in real life to burn.. buy and sell it in game. (WOW has it controlled a LOT apparently). Basically it's just moving credits around, but makes a MORE legit means to buy credits (Beyond CM pack selling). Cuts into profits of credit sellers more as well. I was thinking you meant something else, got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImmortalLowlife Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 9Billion taken from Credit sellers.... HAHAHA!! GOT EMM!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSeventhJedi Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Not to be a jerk or anything, but can I have those 9 billion credits? I mean, are you doing anything with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dainter Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Out of curiosity how many credits are in the economy in total? 9B is definitely a lot regardless; but I'd love to hear what the "gross domestic product" for a server is. I have no idea who would know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZionHalcyon Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Why so we can pay it back the next year like the Bush "rebate"? I never had to pay any of my rebates back. If you had to pay it back, you did it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidicous Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Nice work by that Night Janitor taking down a small ring of spammers. You are gonna pay the guy more than just the 9 billion though aren't ya? After all he still has some spammers to get after, more CM Packs to design/package, and let's not even get into the nerfing and content gating along with his regular janitorial duties. Seriously though, nice start on the problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Wulff Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 On a serious note What was the composition of this ring? Was it X% bank toons, X% spam bots, X% chest porters, X% credit mules, X% referral CC farmers, X% cartel item GTN listers? I can only speak for myself but I think it would be kind of cool to know what the hundreds looked like, if the bulk were behind the scenes or if the majority were publicly visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FerkWork Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 So what you are saying is it's over 9000? XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooks Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 You guys need to be quicker about shutting these spammers up. Many times they are still spamming hours after they have been reported.Good job though on the big catch of spam fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bachannal Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Hey folks, Over the past few months there have been many issues with Credit sellers and Advertisers. As you have noticed lately, we’re communicating more about what’s going on behind the scenes, so this is another area where we plan to keep you informed. Last week, we took action against an entire selling ring. Over multiple weeks, we investigated and compiled evidence about a large Credit selling ring which spanned across hundreds of accounts and a variety of servers. To help thwart any possible reactions from this group, we simultaneously actioned every account in this Credit selling ring. In total, we banned hundreds of accounts and removed over nine billion credits from those accounts. Thanks to all of you who have been diligently reporting those pesky spammers and other characters acting suspiciously anywhere throughout our game. They are very persistent, but we will continue to aggressively remove credit sellers and advertisers from our game! -eric Nice to know my spam reports actually work...next step - allowing us to increase our "ignore" to deal with them in chat, or allow legacy wide ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dainter Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 You guys need to be quicker about shutting these spammers up. Many times they are still spamming hours after they have been reported. Good job though on the big catch of spam fish. they were going all cop movie on it.....let the low level street spammer do his thing and use him to find the big fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernixx Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 For those curious, if they confiscated/removed 9bil from those banned accounts, you're looking at the credit sellers losing over $27,000 dollars worth of in-game credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dainter Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 For those curious, if they confiscated/removed 9bil from those banned accounts, you're looking at the credit sellers losing over $27,000 dollars worth of in-game credits. $27,000 worth of in game credits doesn't sound as impressive as 9,000,000,000 credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernixx Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 $27,000 worth of in game credits doesn't sound as impressive as 9,000,000,000 credits. The money's real, the credits aren't. I'm far more impressed with the pain that the credit sellers are feeling right now at seeing so much real money evaporating before their eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghisallo Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 You guys need to be quicker about shutting these spammers up. Many times they are still spamming hours after they have been reported. Good job though on the big catch of spam fish. Ummm actually that usually proves to be less effective. Usually these knuckleheads work in groups. Instantly nail one and then they either just load a new account, move to a new area etc (referring not just to the spammers BUT also to the farmers....they often work together.) The one guy who got banned can have anew account power leveled etc. If you gather all the info on who they are connected too by: -watching who may be farming in the same area -check chat logs to see who is shilling for the same web site -who is consistently getting credits mailed to them from multiple characters -who has the harvested items mailed to them to post on the broker (if they are selling goods on the GTN and not just vendoring) -tie all of the above to the appropriate spammer THEN nail them all at one they don't have as much time to react. They will likely be back (kinda like a drug dealer eventually gets out of jail) BUT if you "lock up" everyone at once you can have a more quiet (though never perfectly quiet) summer. If you go at them piece meal they simply change things around a bit and then you just have a cycle where you are trapped ALWAYS playing catch-up. It sucks. I deal with this at work all the time, especially back in the day when I was on the Narc/Street Crimes unit. "why aren't you doing anything about that drug dealer?"..."why aren't you doing anything about the street robberies?" We were, we just wanted to make sure that we didn't just get the dealer dirty on the street... we wanted to make sure we got him in his house, with other people and some serious weight/evidence so they all did State and not County time. We didn't want to just get the one or two robbers whose names we knew, we wanted to get the two other accomplices whose names we didn't know yet. You can't tell the people that though because if you do, it will get back to the bad guys. I call it short term pain for a long term gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebevo Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Great work and thanks for the information. Always wondered if we were wasting time hitting report button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSitruc Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 For those curious, if they confiscated/removed 9bil from those banned accounts, you're looking at the credit sellers losing over $27,000 dollars worth of in-game credits. that is an interesting figure. i dont pay attention enough to the credit sellers so I wouldn't know the conversion rate for credits to dollars. by those numbers (im not great at math, in fact i am terrible so excuse my mathssss) 1 credit equals 0.000003 dollars. estimated of course to the $27k number. with that said, my credits only equal roughly $300, now i feel depressed again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dainter Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 The money's real, the credits aren't. I'm far more impressed with the pain that the credit sellers are feeling right now at seeing so much real money evaporating before their eyes. I'd be interested to know how much $27,000 really is to a credit farmer. Take an extreme example of McDonalds.....if McDonalds had something bad to them that cost their entire empire $27,000 they would not really care at all. That is a rounding error to McDonalds. They wouldn't even bother telling the CEO about it, it wouldn't be worth his/her time. I have no idea what $27,000 means to a credit farming company (conglomerate? empire? cartel?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azudelphi Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Usually these knuckleheads work in groups. Instantly nail one and then they either just load a new account, move to a new area etc (referring not just to the spammers BUT also to the farmers....they often work together.) The one guy who got banned can have anew account power leveled etc. Hail Hydra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dainter Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 that is an interesting figure. i dont pay attention enough to the credit sellers so I wouldn't know the conversion rate for credits to dollars. by those numbers (im not great at math, in fact i am terrible so excuse my mathssss) 1 credit equals 0.000003 dollars. estimated of course to the $27k number. with that said, my credits only equal roughly $300, now i feel depressed again the ads on fleet are usually something like $3 for 1,000,000 credits. I think that's how the $27,000 figure is calculated. 9,000,000,000 / 1,000,000 X $3 = $27,000 if you have $300 in credits you have something like 100,000,000 credits....I guess I wouldn't really feel depressed about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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