Otchiver Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 So is it me, or does plasmatech/Pyro no longer suck. Without knowing what i'm doing, but having really good gear (Usually run Tactics/AP) and a lot of alacrity.... i pulled 4090. http://swtor-parser.elasticbeanstalk.com/parser/view/16577 Anyone else have halfway decent experiences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACeMossie Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 So is it me, or does plasmatech/Pyro no longer suck. Without knowing what i'm doing, but having really good gear (Usually run Tactics/AP) and a lot of alacrity.... i pulled 4090. http://swtor-parser.elasticbeanstalk.com/parser/view/16577 Anyone else have halfway decent experiences? I'll have a chance to test tonight, but i'm expecting ~4.8k average in my PTS VG's optimized-without-mainhand198s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otchiver Posted March 26, 2015 Author Share Posted March 26, 2015 I'll have a chance to test tonight, but i'm expecting ~4.8k average in my PTS VG's optimized-without-mainhand198s. One of these days, i wanna pick your brain in a Voicechat thing.... You always are around for my posts on these things. Think you could spare a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACeMossie Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) One of these days, i wanna pick your brain in a Voicechat thing.... You always are around for my posts on these things. Think you could spare a bit? Sorry mate, bout to run off to uni. Why else do you think I said "Tonight" instead of "When the update finishes downloading" Edited March 26, 2015 by TACeMossie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACeMossie Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) Ok, my guess was low. This spec is pretty much back to its former glory already, maybe 50-100dps less, but with significantly more AoE potential. With 2 more QoL changes to come, I can't wait to see it, though I will say the slightly tougher resources are fine right now - sure it makes the spec a little more difficult, but when a spec can pull 5k DPS with 1.8k being AoE and by doing a simple substitute of Ion Pulse for Explosive Surge it does 4.8k DPS with 2.6k being AoE you gotta have some difficulty, otherwise you end up with Hatred. Edited March 27, 2015 by TACeMossie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunner_Venda Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 I'm glad it's really good for PVE. It still looks like garbage on the PVP end with the nerfs to immolate and flaming fist (single target burst), but I'll give it a run with the new two stack flame thrower. That might help make up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aetideus Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) I'm glad it's really good for PVE. It still looks like garbage on the PVP end with the nerfs to immolate and flaming fist (single target burst), but I'll give it a run with the new two stack flame thrower. That might help make up for it. It is + 5% total stack damage on flame thrower. In PvP always are hits with full stacks. The substantial is the dot spread and 90% -speed. Edited March 28, 2015 by Aetideus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atonu Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) I'm not grasping Tactics or Plasmatech very well in PVP. I try to follow the rotation from Dulfy but that is more of a PVE thing it seems. Any help with rotations would be appreciated. Tactics seems to have good potential for DPS in PVP but I can't get much out of it. Edited April 1, 2015 by Atonu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I'm not grasping Tactics or Plasmatech very well in PVP. I try to follow the rotation from Dulfy but that is more of a PVE thing it seems. Any help with rotations would be appreciated. Tactics seems to have good potential for DPS in PVP but I can't get much out of it. whats your gear? (stats not name) and your opener? and your priorities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atonu Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'm only level 50, so my gear is whatever I can scrounge up, but I do put a priority on power. For Tactics, I usually try to open with AP - gut - high impact bolt - shockstrike - tactical surge - cell burst I generally try to keep the bleeds refreshed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaos_KidSWTOR Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'm only level 50, so my gear is whatever I can scrounge up, but I do put a priority on power. For Tactics, I usually try to open with AP - gut - high impact bolt - shockstrike - tactical surge - cell burst I generally try to keep the bleeds refreshed. Well, since your level 50, you can't have Cell Burst... But, you should be doing something like this for AP RB > RP > RS > TD > MB > ED > etc. RB = Retractable Blade RP = Rocket Punch RS = Rail Shot MB = Magnetic Blast ED = Explosive Dart TD = Thermal Detonator Rocket Punch, Thermal Detonator, Explosive Dart, or Mag Blast should always precede a Rail Shot if at all possible except the First Rail Shot of your opener due to the Prototype Particle Accelerator buff. Pyro is all about using Flaming Fist before Rail Shot to get an automatic crit and getting 2 stacks of Superheated Flamethrower to get the bulk of your damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) Well, since your level 50, you can't have Cell Burst... But, you should be doing something like this for AP RB > RP > RS > TD > MB > ED > etc. RB = Retractable Blade RP = Rocket Punch RS = Rail Shot MB = Magnetic Blast ED = Explosive Dart TD = Thermal Detonator Rocket Punch, Thermal Detonator, Explosive Dart, or Mag Blast should always precede a Rail Shot if at all possible except the First Rail Shot of your opener due to the Prototype Particle Accelerator buff. Pyro is all about using Flaming Fist before Rail Shot to get an automatic crit and getting 2 stacks of Superheated Flamethrower to get the bulk of your damage. No, No, no, stop. That's a PvE opener there, that doesn't fly in PvP. gut > Assault Plastic > tactical surge > Cell Burst > HiB > stockstrike > Hib > begin standard rotation. note that often in PvP you are having to close gaps to a target when you go to open in which case it's generally better to switch the location of the first tactical surge with gut in the opener since you can use tactical surge and assault plastic from farther range. Also note you want to pop Battle Focus if available right before the assault plastic detonates so that it's up when all your burst is going out. Additionally note that you want to spam shoulder cannon during the battlefocus window for even moar burst. Standard rotation The goal here is to get HiB used as much as possible. There is a 6 second internal cooldown (ICD) on the HiB proc. which basically means you want to use tactical surge or stockstrike every third GCD after the last HiB. The two GCDs before that you can do whatever the hell you want with, but be mindful of your ammo. Edited April 2, 2015 by Zoom_VI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TACeMossie Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 No, No, no, stop. That's a PvE opener there, that doesn't fly in PvP. gut > Assault Plastic > tactical surge > Cell Burst > HiB > stockstrike > Hib > begin standard rotation. note that often in PvP you are having to close gaps to a target when you go to open in which case it's generally better to switch the location of the first tactical surge with gut in the opener since you can use tactical surge and assault plastic from farther range. Also note you want to pop Battle Focus if available right before the assault plastic detonates so that it's up when all your burst is going out. Additionally note that you want to spam shoulder cannon during the battlefocus window for even moar burst. Standard rotation The goal here is to get HiB used as much as possible. There is a 6 second internal cooldown (ICD) on the HiB proc. which basically means you want to use tactical surge or stockstrike every third GCD after the last HiB. The two GCDs before that you can do whatever the hell you want with, but be mindful of your ammo. its not even a PvE opener. Its the worst opener i've ever seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 its not even a PvE opener. Its the worst opener i've ever seen I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaos_KidSWTOR Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 No, No, no, stop. That's a PvE opener there, that doesn't fly in PvP. gut > Assault Plastic > tactical surge > Cell Burst > HiB > stockstrike > Hib > begin standard rotation. note that often in PvP you are having to close gaps to a target when you go to open in which case it's generally better to switch the location of the first tactical surge with gut in the opener since you can use tactical surge and assault plastic from farther range. Also note you want to pop Battle Focus if available right before the assault plastic detonates so that it's up when all your burst is going out. Additionally note that you want to spam shoulder cannon during the battlefocus window for even moar burst. Standard rotation The goal here is to get HiB used as much as possible. There is a 6 second internal cooldown (ICD) on the HiB proc. which basically means you want to use tactical surge or stockstrike every third GCD after the last HiB. The two GCDs before that you can do whatever the hell you want with, but be mindful of your ammo. If he's only level 50... HE CANT USE CELL BURST... Cell Burst is a level 57 ability, so he can't use it at level 50 for PvP. So, yea... Sure, my opener wasn't ideal at all. but it was catering to his limitations as a level 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 If he's only level 50... HE CANT USE CELL BURST... Cell Burst is a level 57 ability, so he can't use it at level 50 for PvP. So, yea... Sure, my opener wasn't ideal at all. but it was catering to his limitations as a level 50. At level 50 your opener is still bad. You never use rocket punch before your first railshot, because that's wasting a railshot. not only that but you did stuff> TD > MB > ED > etc. Which is really bad in PvP because that has thermal detonator detonating when you are applying explosive dart, which won't go off for antoher three seconds. You always want to apply thermal det three seconds before a burst ability in order to maximize burst. Sub level 57 that means you always want to do TD > filler > Railshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherepk Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Lol in PVP situations changes every second, there is not standard rotation just approximate rules of what should go first what should follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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