If you like AoE DoT Madness is the way to go for Force specs; Lethality is for Tech ofc. Slow Mercy Tactical and 1.3 gcd melts the other group, over 12k dps. But you got to forget single target and focus on that. And mastering of the Dcds is needed. IO on the other hand, with Magnetized Scrapnels can do great single dps an stil great AoE DoT dps up to 10k. But it is the most difficult rotation to follow in the game.

It is not about Premades. Most Premades still play objectives. In Darth Malgus there are * certain * Premades; people know who I am talking about, that just chase people 4 vs 1. When I pop in the same team with them I just leave because it is a waste of time. If I am at the opposite team I try to avoid them and go from node to node. There is nothing to do, just try to ignore them.

Apart from Huttball, that BW's obsession of TOO MANY pops has rendered it boring: It is bad players that group to gang 4 vs 1, because they are too stupid or unable to do anything else. Tips: Try to avoid them. Group with others. Mostly they don't attack even numbers. Don't try objectives alone. The only think you 'll achieve, is the team losing one player. Run around the nodes when possible. Often those groups attack all together to a node - even 8 vs n. They do not guard usually.

Good job

/Yup+

Where are the Assin changes? Do you ever read the threads?

Pleaaaase

Just read the peoples' comments and stop deluding yourself. Deception is the FOTM. Nothing new for Swtor.

Agreed that changing the base DPS substantially is out of the question due to PvE. A moderate/small reduction though, combined with other mediocre PvP targeted nerfs would be feasible. Deception is not favored by the PvErs. The change of the autocrit that you propose + a slightly higher cost of the abilities worth trying. At least there would be a 7s window to prepare one's defense.

Apparently you don't want to accept the problem and took my reluctance to provide a hasty solution for non-existence of the problem. The problem as stated in a lot of comments is the REPEATED, UNCONTROLLABLE OVERPOWERDED BURST. This could be addressed in various ways for the Devs to elaborate and conclude. Stacking of a class cannot be avoided ofc. - Longer CD of vanish. The Charges system cannot be changed since it is global. - Reduce the base DPS of the abilities. Maul, Ball and Breach for Deception. It is the base DPS of Deception abilities that should be addressed, because they get Crit and maximized by Sets, Tacticals, as well as Deception Procs; and changing all those would affect the other specs. For example, changing the Melee Crit bonus after a Force Crit would affect all Assin specs. - Other combination. If I had to chose I would prefer a combination of both, since the 2 vanishes is the only think that keeps Assins alive and away from the pathetic performance they had before 6.0. A reduction of the base DPS + a shorter Fade ability would be equalizing.

There are people more versed in Deception than me, Devs certainly, to conclude HOW should be nerfed. Regarding WHAT should be nerfed, was rather coherent in the comments: "got 2 vanish and continue the OvP burst".

/ /+

At least you can appear with your Jugg in SR and hope for the best. There is usually no way for a PT without q-sync. So much about the meta and who needs an actual DCD.

I swap Tacticals both with Assin and Oper. Yet the complain is about Assin + stacking. Why? Obviously, despite your inconvenience in admitting the problem, because Assin got 2 vanish and continues the OvP burst. As mentioned the rest is a hideous and unintelligent rhetoric. The spec should be nerfed somehow to get in line. No one needs another Merc Arsenal stacking.

You just embarrass yourself not admitting the problem. There were many FOTM specs in the past to deny the current one. We focused on the Operative yesterday, because in a team of 4 stealth was the only one with 1 vanish. This is ridiculous. I hope Deception gets nerfed, like Arsenal should have before that, due to the APPARENT stacking spec problem and the OvP repetitive burst. Anything else is hideous rhetoric.

What do you mean "scientifically"? I geared 6 different specs in a way that I like to play with tacticals and sets, and both dps and total experience is improved.

I use Kre'a's opener and perks with Murderous, 2 Cloacks and Tactical switch. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=971003 Pretty happy for Objectives/Tactical game, aside the old sustained dps rotation. Extra caution is needed since 6.0 is not forgiving and the spec is squishy. The opener is good enough for Ranged wzs as well, but Deception is less effort.

It is great if you like AoE. With Catalyzed Toxins can have good burst, on the expense of not topping AoE.

You can pop mag shot by activating the AoE.

Give it some time. The combinations are far more complicated than 5.0. And it is a team game. Let this infamous 3 x assin or oper teams play against a good team with healer and tank to see them melt.

I use this for burst.

Not helping your case much. Obviously there is a problem. Especially in Solo.

This conquest material need is beyond....

Yes it is ridiculous.

Thanks for your info.