DurdensWrath Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Bioware or really EAWare, cannot balance for beans. It's either full on, or full off. There is no dimmer switch. They can't write patch notes that cover the changes actually made, or can't communicate, or are just crap at math. I personally learned that my restraint in using the slots was ignorant. I should have gone till I had enough cartel certs to work for ages. That was my mistake. I've now learned from this. Exploit Early, Exploit Often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian_Stone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) I think I learned why they don't have casino games on all those sweet barges. Edited January 22, 2015 by Obsidian_Stone Drop rate on S was too high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurdensWrath Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) I think I learned why they don't have casino games on all those sweet barges. Because once people realized the rewards were so low, they'd wreck them out of anger? Also before someone compares these to real slots, bear in mind that slots have a 90% win chance. You get something. These, have about a 75% win chance if you count getting your coin back. Edited January 22, 2015 by DurdensWrath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian_Stone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Because once people realized the rewards were so low, they'd wreck them out of anger? Exactly. People clearly really really really don't like to lose fake currency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obsidian_Stone Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Also before someone compares these to real slots, bear in mind that slots have a 90% win chance. You get something. These, have about a 75% win chance if you count getting your coin back. Not a 90% win chance. A 90% return rate. Means for every dollar you spend, you win .90 cents. This amount is average for online slots (which is what I would consider the in game slots) but 75% is around normal for physical machines. Point is, machines are set up to make you lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverine Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I've learned the only way to be heard is to set stuff on fire. We need to set stuff on fire to be heard. Burn the cartel bazaar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurdensWrath Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Not a 90% win chance. A 90% return rate. Means for every dollar you spend, you win .90 cents. This amount is average for online slots (which is what I would consider the in game slots) but 75% is around normal for physical machines. Point is, machines are set up to make you lose. I misunderstood. Still 90% return rate is FAR FAR above where we are with this nerf. I've learned the only way to be heard is to set stuff on fire. We need to set stuff on fire to be heard. Burn the cartel bazaar! I've learned that people need to mind their own business and not crap on other people's fun. The original whining is what started this s-storm. Edited January 22, 2015 by DurdensWrath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuriDogshin Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Exactly. People clearly really really really don't like to lose fake currency. Every single Slot Machine was purchased from BioWare using real cash converted into Cartel Coins. Some were then resold for credits. So it's real cash that BioWare scammed the players out of, not credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JattaGin Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) I learned that if you want to be heard by BW, you need to have about 100 million credits on your ingame account + 10 x 99 stacks of java junk. Then, if you complain that you won't be able to have 150 million credits as planned during the next week (selling grade 11 purple mats from the vendor for the JJ you piled up), you will get heard. In other words, it is like in real life. Exactly. People clearly really really really don't like to lose fake currency. I assume that you know that this is not the issue people are complaining about (in masses). But if you really think so, then maybe you should read some of the threads. Edited January 22, 2015 by JattaGin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znihilist Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Using a sledge hammer for balancing yo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arinbatastini Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I have a child that balances things like BW/EA. The scale goes up and he smacks it back down. He is almost one now. I think BW/EA is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neglience Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 It is not the return rate peoples are QQ here all the time. It is the win rate actually to be appropriate now for a gambling machine that makes all the cry out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znihilist Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) It is not the return rate peoples are QQ here all the time. It is the win rate actually to be appropriate now for a gambling machine that makes all the cry out. Gambling machines have up to 99% and as low as 75% win rate FYI! Pre-nerf the machine had a 69% win rate! Edited January 22, 2015 by znihilist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neglience Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Gambling machines have up to 99% and as low as 75% win rate FYI! Pre-nerf the machine had a 69% win rate! I am sorry, i should be more specific. It is the profit rate on the gambling machine which makes all the QQ. Before you had a steady and huge profit, now you need luckk on the gambling machine to have huge profit. Edited January 22, 2015 by Neglience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmaha Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Bioware or really EAWare, cannot balance for beans. It's either full on, or full off. There is no dimmer switch. They can't write patch notes that cover the changes actually made, or can't communicate, or are just crap at math. I personally learned that my restraint in using the slots was ignorant. I should have gone till I had enough cartel certs to work for ages. That was my mistake. I've now learned from this. Exploit Early, Exploit Often. Actually what you should have learned is your actions will have consequences. It's clear some of you have not learned that in the real world yet. These changes were brought on by the QQing in the forums last week. Now some of the same ppsters are QQing because of the consequences of their original QQING! It's actually rather hilarious. And btw pretty sure your thread will be deleted because of your last comment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beasthunt Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) I think EAware and their blind allegiance appologist fail to understand that this is a game, where we come to escape reality and the pressures of life. Most of us are tired of dealing with scams and crooks, so we tend to get a bit angered when we pay real money or millions of earned credits for an item in our escape and then a week later it gets tampered with to the point where it is broken and useless. How would the apologist like it if you bought your tattooine homestead and had a .001% chance of being able to get in it. Or a sweet mount that had a .5% chance of being summoned or a 1% chance to walk. Exact same situation. Pay for an item that works, a few days later it doesn't. I don't expect these people to understand simple reasoning though. They just go in blindly supporting EAware. Edited January 22, 2015 by beasthunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abercromb Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Because once people realized the rewards were so low, they'd wreck them out of anger? Also before someone compares these to real slots, bear in mind that slots have a 90% win chance. You get something. These, have about a 75% win chance if you count getting your coin back. No you don't. It's not 75%. You now have a 45% lose chance You now have 20% chance of getting your token back You now have 34.4% chance of reputation (only 4.5% of that is worth more than the coin you spent getting it) You now have a 0.6% chance of any Junk, Certificates or a mount (I have rounded up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharathos Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I've learned the only way to be heard is to set stuff on fire. We need to set stuff on fire to be heard. Burn the cartel bazaar! Except when the Cartel Bazaar or Market has problems, Bioware are quicker then the Amish rebuilding a barn to get it back up and running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalarie Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I've learned the only way to be heard is to set stuff on fire. We need to set stuff on fire to be heard. Burn the cartel bazaar! Could you imagine an xpac that allowed protests and riots generated by the users? lawl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadtechSavant Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Gambling machines have up to 99% and as low as 75% win rate FYI! Pre-nerf the machine had a 69% win rate! Really! If you have the max in rep, all you are getting is A. your coin back which is not a win, if it were a win you would have to get your coin back plus a extra coin, plus its not as if you can sell coins back to the vender. or B, rep items, which if you already have the max the only thing you can do is sell to a vender. you will never get more than you spend. So in short please tell me where the WIN rate of 99% is or even the low 75% is, I fail to see any win at all. Even if you are lucky to get jawa parts it still don't cover the cost of any credits spent. So once again I don't see any WIN here at all. So in short the only win is if you get the mount, then again you would spend far less just buying one from the GTN, so not really a win..... ..... and that leaves the certs, now these are valued by the person who gets them, any dec is cheaper to buy from the GTN even before they were being given out like candy. just tacks time to find the deal that you are happy with. so that leaves the rep traders, If they do have items you want the certs are very valuable, if you don't care about that stuff or like me already have any items I wanted they are not worth much at all. Down to individuals point of view I think when it comes to certs. However the drop rate now is so low on them I cannot see any win here either, That's my point of view, sure some of you will disagree on that and that's fine because that's you're valuation on the certs. Edited January 22, 2015 by DreadtechSavant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surbatu Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Free to play... just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znihilist Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Really! If you have the max in rep, all you are getting is A. your coin back which is not a win, if it were a win you would have to get your coin back plus a extra coin, plus its not as if you can sell coins back to the vender. or B, rep items, which if you already have the max the only thing you can do is sell to a vender. you will never get more than you spend. So in short please tell me where the WIN rate of 99% is or even the low 75% is, I fail to see any win at all. Even if you are lucky to get jawa parts it still don't cover the cost of any credits spent. So once again I don't see any WIN here at all. So in short the only win is if you get the mount, then again you would spend far less just buying one from the GTN, so not really a win. Actual gambling machines, like the ones you find in casinos. My comment was probably out of place, but a lot of people were making comparisons to the actual machines and some info about the win rate had to be included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draqsko Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Except when the Cartel Bazaar or Market has problems, Bioware are quicker then the Amish rebuilding a barn to get it back up and running. The Amish wouldn't need to rebuild that barn because it wouldn't break for 100 years. I wish the Amish built this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadtechSavant Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Actual gambling machines, like the ones you find in casinos. My comment was probably out of place, but a lot of people were making comparisons to the actual machines and some info about the win rate had to be included. I can see your point, I really do. But giving any win rate implies that the player has won. that win implies profit. If profit is not made its not really a win. Ok its a gambling machine and as such, should not be an auto win by any means, but you should at least be able to win. OK sure you might buy 10 coins and get the mount, yea that would be a win. Realistically though! Anyway as I said I do see what you were saying, I just think it gives a very unrealistic impression saying the win rate is between 75% and 99%. Edited January 22, 2015 by DreadtechSavant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitblade Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Bioware or really EAWare, cannot balance for beans. It's either full on, or full off. There is no dimmer switch. Are you talking about the Brains of the Upper Management Exploit Early, Exploit Often. Sounds like something a EA Exec would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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