Andryah Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) /yawn ^^ echo that. This is yesterdays toast. Training is now free for all for life. We all benefit from free life time training way more then any player was impacted by retraining costs last week. The only people that will not benefit from free training are those that quit or the transient part of the player base... who really do not deserve further consideration IMO. As for those that raced through to 60 on multiple characters and spent credits they clearly had (since there is not debt in this MMO) for progression training....to fulfill their desires and impulses.... I have no sympathy. Nobody forced anyone to gank and gobble up the content during early access. Edited December 9, 2014 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterboytkd Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Sentinels and Marauders are fine right now, L2P. Lol. Their utilities are garbage, and Combat/Carnage had its PvP guts ripped out. Get that L2P crap out of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewski Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 No. /5char Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foambreaker Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 No. People were in a big rush to get to 60 and pay a half million in training. They got what they asked for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deewe Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Either refund all training costs from Day 1 of pre-release way back years ago or get over it. Any other cut-off point is arbitrary. Poll should have been yes or no only. I don't care is the equivalent of no. Well not really. Personally I don't care but would welcome the refund. So not against it. We don't have that many votes yet but the trend is interesting. Reminds me the polls on the tube shooter at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orizuru Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 This whole topic reminds of when WoW lowered the cost of the basic mounts to 5 gold. The forums were teeming with petulant children demanding refunds for the gold beyond 5g they had spent. The whining persisted for months without a single comment from Blizzard and not one refund was given. The point, crap happens. You can either roll in it or walk away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafaman Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Lol. Their utilities are garbage, and Combat/Carnage had its PvP guts ripped out. Get that L2P crap out of here. Err... Combat is just fine, thank you very much. If you don't know how to use your utilities that is all on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heal-To-Full Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 What I wonder is, if I bought a TV for full price last week, and today a mob riot broke the store's windows and took all the TVs for free... who should I call for my refund? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruskaeth Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 No. Get over it. No, it's not a matter of principle. Poor people make me sick. No, I am not talking about poor or wealthy in game or real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hupp Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 [NO]. Deal with the problem by rolling around in all the credits you will save in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsmc Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 No. The credits are gone, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmaha Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Yes... Please refund all training costs since 3.0 early release Why only since early release? What's the return policy of virtual coins? If they did (which I hope they do not) what's going to stop those QQing about this to expand their QQing? QQ It's not fair I had to pay for skills as I leveled up now new toons don't have too....this isn't fair QQ This crap just shows the how prevalent the entitlement mentality is. You guys QQ about the cost they fix it, now you QQ because it's not good enough...it's never ending with those that have the entitlement mentailty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafaman Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Why only since early release? What's the return policy of virtual coins? If they did (which I hope they do not) what's going to stop those QQing about this to expand their QQing? QQ It's not fair I had to pay for skills as I leveled up now new toons don't have too....this isn't fair QQ This crap just shows the how prevalent the entitlement mentality is. You guys QQ about the cost they fix it, now you QQ because it's not good enough...it's never ending with those that have the entitlement mentailty. Lol! Guess it is back to picketing on Yavin in protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmymillertime Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 No. I doubt they could tell who spent what. They only made it free due to bugs in mirror classes not having to train the same ability and people qq'ed so loud they just gave in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Lol. Their utilities are garbage, and Combat/Carnage had its PvP guts ripped out. Get that L2P crap out of here. Thank you for confirming that you are incapable of re-learning how to play, I would suggest either quitting MMO's altogether or re-rolling to commando/mercenary if you can't get better while the rest of us good players succeed without you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterboytkd Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Err... Combat is just fine, thank you very much. If you don't know how to use your utilities that is all on you. o.O You realize that Combat ended up with LESS utilities than they had pre 3.0, right? And losing the Crippling Throw/Deadly Throw root? The spec has very few anti-kiting tools anymore. The only saving grace is you don't have to be 4m to Precision/Gore anymore. And you should take a look at what other classes get for utilities before you think you're sitting pretty. You aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heizluefta Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) Refund trainiing costs ? Simply Yes ! Its the simple Argument of "fairness" ! I dont see, how anyone can not understand that screwing the preorder subsrcibers one week, ripping them off 500k or millions depending on number of chars and one week later make it free for non-preorderers ! This is just crazy and has to be refunded...simple as that ! Edited December 9, 2014 by heizluefta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafaman Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 o.O You realize that Combat ended up with LESS utilities than they had pre 3.0, right? And losing the Crippling Throw/Deadly Throw root? The spec has very few anti-kiting tools anymore. The only saving grace is you don't have to be 4m to Precision/Gore anymore. And you should take a look at what other classes get for utilities before you think you're sitting pretty. You aren't. Sounds like you need to play an "easier" class. Try Command dps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterboytkd Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Thank you for confirming that you are incapable of re-learning how to play, I would suggest either quitting MMO's altogether or re-rolling to commando/mercenary if you can't get better while the rest of us good players succeed without you. Strong argument. I didn't realize the best way to argue L2P was to simply say it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I didn't realize the best way to argue L2P was to simply say it again. It's not. It is however probably the best method to try to encourage a player to do the obvious.. rather then constantly smearing the forum up with every personal disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterboytkd Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Sounds like you need to play an "easier" class. Try Command dps. Again with L2P? Do you have any actual argumentation, or just ad hominem attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xFREYx Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 put simply......yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimG Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 No refund. Early access got the ridiculous security chests which were the SWTOR version of food stamps....money for nothing. So it's basically a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deewe Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 No refund. Early access got the ridiculous security chests which were the SWTOR version of food stamps....money for nothing. So it's basically a wash. To be fair, not sure everyone who went into the pre-launch got a hold on chests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterboytkd Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 It's not. It is however probably the best method to try to encourage a player to do the obvious.. rather then constantly smearing the forum up with every personal disappointment. So, "It's not. But L2P anyways"? Nevermind I didn't come here to debate Sents/Maras. I came to say we didn't need credits refunded. I simply used that as an example of better things Devs could work on (and if you think Sent/Mara utilities are perfectly refined and polished, that's on you I guess; there's a whole lot of people that disagree, though, some of which are very prominent Sent/Mara players). Then Reno started the ad hominem attacks. My fault for responding I guess. I really should L2P the forums better. Either way, I'm not getting into Sents/Maras in this thread. That's what THAT forum is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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