maverickmatt Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) Has anyone deciphered any portions of the stat balances for PvP? I'm having a difficult time judging how alacrity actually weighs against everything else... It's probably too soon to know for sure. Edited December 9, 2014 by maverickmatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieTevidor Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 According another threads on this forum, in PvP alacrity not really matter, accuracy 307 rating.Crit I'd like to take for Serenity at least 250-300 rating (I like to have more self-heal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Except that selfheals aren't based on crits anymore. But rather on damage done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archieTevidor Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Except that selfheals aren't based on crits anymore. WUT? O_o I deffinetly need to read skills again Well, before crit tik from dot gave self-healing... UPD. Indeed, healing only from FiB and Serenity Strike now. Such a pity. I though that to dot-crit-tik devs gave to shadow additional healing from Serenity Strike and left FiB as well. So, then question still open. What crit need for pvp as Serenity/Infiltration? For PvE someone said 100-130 for Infiltration and 200-240 for Serenity, what about PvP? Edited December 10, 2014 by archieTevidor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I'm going for 1 enhancement with crit and WP augments. ~20%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverickmatt Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 I'm going for 1 enhancement with crit and WP augments. ~20%. Are you using the same for Deception (also with no alacrity) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sithBracer Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Are you using the same for Deception (also with no alacrity) ? Deception is dead. You can get better damage from darkness in dps gear than deception these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishbindeinvater Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Deception is dead. You can get better damage from darkness in dps gear than deception these days. I am not sure about that. You cant compare the burst of deception with darkness. And burst counts more in PVP than sustained imo And it's still a funny playstyle, the most assassinlike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IInox Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Except that selfheals aren't based on crits anymore. But rather on damage done. Evo do u agree with Kwerty's post then? i have this doubt about accuracy..stack it or hold it to 0 as pre 3.0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Evo do u agree with Kwerty's post then? i have this doubt about accuracy..stack it or hold it to 0 as pre 3.0? Who? I'm skipping accuracy. See this tread for my full lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sithBracer Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I am not sure about that. You cant compare the burst of deception with darkness. And burst counts more in PVP than sustained imo And it's still a funny playstyle, the most assassinlike. The burst is less climatic than it used to be. It's a small opening burst followed by nothing. The new force lightning replacement actually does really decent damage. 4-5k per tick if it crits (better use of recklessness right there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_Past Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Who? I'm skipping accuracy. See this tread for my full lineup. I know my main is a Guardian where accuracy is more important, but I never liked 0 accuracy on my Shadow. I always noticed several mauls and executes missing every war zone when I tried it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I hardly notice the absence of accuracy at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_Past Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I hardly notice the absence of accuracy at all. Like I said, coming from a main who relies heavily on white damage, I notice every miss. And during my experience on my Shadow, I noticed quite a few misses on key abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpmewin Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) The burst is less climatic than it used to be. It's a small opening burst followed by nothing. The new force lightning replacement actually does really decent damage. 4-5k per tick if it crits (better use of recklessness right there). Now u need to change rotation. After few days playing i came to this. Open burts is dead, burst lower , sustained better, madness is more competetive - all this yes. But deception is still competetive in regs and solo. This spec is dead in 4*4 grp, cause no derp and lower burts than other burst spec/class, but still playable, i'd say more than playable. Mb not so good vs heals, but still. Edited December 10, 2014 by helpmewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IInox Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Who? I'm skipping accuracy. See this tread for my full lineup. As I intended to do idd. still 0 accuracy. but I thought to stack more surge and so less alacrity These BiS are for both specs? more crit for infiltration? Edited December 10, 2014 by IInox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) As I intended to do idd. still 0 accuracy. These BiS are for both specs? That's what I'm doing. I don't know what "optimal" is nor do I care. Nobody is beating my damage anyway. Edited December 10, 2014 by Evolixe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IInox Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 That's what I'm doing. I don't know what "optimal" is nor do I care. Nobody is beating my damage anyway. well doing low in balance is like impossibile even if u guard node. btw u screw up totally ur stats..the dps doesn't chance much in pvp..yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmog Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Who? I'm skipping accuracy. See this tread for my full lineup. I am assuming you meant power > alacrity > surge > crit > accuracy? Additionally, why are you wanting surge when your crit will be low? My understanding is that surge increases crit damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Serenity strike healing is based on the damage it does 1:1. If it crits 10k I get a 10k heal. Dots tick very often, surge is still a véry good stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmog Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Serenity strike healing is based on the damage it does 1:1. If it crits 10k I get a 10k heal. Dots tick very often, surge is still a véry good stat. So why not go Crit then? Also when you say 72% surge you mean 72% crit multiplier correct? You are still going power as #1 correct? Sorry for the questions just trying to make since of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolixe Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Because crit isn't that great over power. Wehn I get one it's good I can make the most of it, Surge offers a lot for very little. The other tertiary stats hardly come anywhere close untill surge starts hitting it's DR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelanis Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Because crit isn't that great over power. Wehn I get one it's good I can make the most of it, Surge offers a lot for very little. The other tertiary stats hardly come anywhere close untill surge starts hitting it's DR. Beware stacking a lot of surge. You're at a 50% return rate at only 250 rating for surge, its diminishing returns are pretty nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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