bobmcbo Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 people have said this before, but this last warzone was just rediculous. my team (empire) was only level 20-30 with a level 40 also the republic was literally all level 50s I don't need to tell you how that went. We need to be grouped with an enemy team with a similar average level, instead of being staked against the "forever alone" brigade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancen Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) people have said this before, but this last warzone was just rediculous. my team (empire) was only level 20-30 with a level 40 also the republic was literally all level 50s I don't need to tell you how that went. We need to be grouped with an enemy team with a similar average level, instead of being staked against the "forever alone" brigade Sounds like you were out-played, not out-powered. P.S. people with 40-50 toons are not "forever alone", they simply play better than you. 50 in this time span is not hard to have done, you're just going slowly. Random insults against people like that don't help your argument. Edited December 24, 2011 by Ancen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmcbo Posted December 24, 2011 Author Share Posted December 24, 2011 you think that theres anything an army of level 30s can do against pure level 50s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finalape Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Myself and all the friends I have who enjoy pvp are not playing any pvp because of the non-bracket ridiculousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerr Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 there are level brackets, you people are oblivious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchy Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 There are no level brackets, and the availability of skills, feats and gear means that brackets really should be implemented. A level 50 character has more skills availabel than level 10, obviously, and that makes the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikolaiZolo Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 IMHO it seemed interesting that no brackets were set up and I was excited to try it but I honestly feel as a casual swtor player that I cant compete. I am 5/5 in warzones but thats cause the lvl 50's carry the team. Id honestly prefer brackets imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrebista Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 No it doesnt i feel fine pvping in Warzones as level 10. there are no dead brackets to worry about. u have a valid point but if its not broken why fix it? thats when games go to **** everyone starts knit picking everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardoni Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 SWTOR is not a PVP game. My judgement may be changed when I see Ilum popping. Until then it's a story MMO in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aricus Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Honestly they're in a dilemma. If they implemented brackets now, we'll and esp. the Empire will be looking at HUGE queue times. But at the same time I agree the side with the most 40-50 or comparative advantage will nearly almost always win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aricus Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 SWTOR is not a PVP game. My judgement may be changed when I see Ilum popping. Until then it's a story MMO in my view. Hmm funny logic here.. Not sure how it's not a PVP game when there's well you know PVP in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinely Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I don't think we need level brackets, although I will agree that level 50s are unbalancing. It isn't impossible to kill a level 50, but you need to be substantially more skilled than that level 50 if you want to beat them 1v1 or you need to isolate them and double/triple team them. An equally skilled level 50 will always beat an equally skilled level 30 in a pure 1v1, I don't think you can deny that. Fortunately, in the next couple weeks we'll be seeing a lot more level 50s and 40s, which means that the Warzones should start having enough players to place 40+ against 40+ consistently. If you can wait it out a little longer, I think we'll be beyond the point of actually needing brackets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardoni Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Hmm funny logic here.. Not sure how it's not a PVP game when there's well you know PVP in it. LOTRO has PVP... -smirk- Would I tell a PVPer to play Rift? Personally nope. Contextually I'd tell them to avoid that game because the designed direction isn't centered around PVP. It comes down to the grassroots advertising that we players do. I'd never tell my PVP friends to come try this game. I'll tell my friends that like PVE to come play it for sure. Those casuals that love story and take forever to level and will probably do the heroic dailies on every planet three to 5 times over and find every datacron before they left the planet and made sure every lore box was filled on their codex on the planet. Those people I'd tell to come play the game. The rest of my friends that just want to fight people. We're still looking for a game and waiting to see if this one delivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontWorryItsOlly Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 So you can que for 4 days to PvP at level 11 where you are then demolished by level 19 twinks? **** that ****. Its something that has spoiled pre-Endgame PvP for all MMOs except for SWTOR. This system is fine and youre just getting outplayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aricus Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) LOTRO has PVP... -smirk- Would I tell a PVPer to play Rift? Personally nope. Contextually I'd tell them to avoid that game because the designed direction isn't centered around PVP. It comes down to the grassroots advertising that we players do. I'd never tell my PVP friends to come try this game. I'll tell my friends that like PVE to come play it for sure. Those casuals that love story and take forever to level and will probably do the heroic dailies on every planet three to 5 times over and find every datacron before they left the planet and made sure every lore box was filled on their codex on the planet. Those people I'd tell to come play the game. The rest of my friends that just want to fight people. We're still looking for a game and waiting to see if this one delivers Then by your logic there are no real pvp games are there. Wo has PvP, Rift has PVP, WAR has PvP, LOTR has pvp.. But really all their pvp suck (according to your logic). ESP. WAR and it was BUILT BASED ON PVP. the only game I can conclude that's a pvp game that's doing well is EvE but even that game players spend more time crafting, building ships, missions, money etc than actual pvp. Sorry but this game is pvp essentric, and while yes it is story driven as well but if it wasn't also focused on PVP then there wouldn't be any option for pvp and much less pvp content and gear. Edited December 24, 2011 by Aricus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelbun Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 you think that theres anything an army of level 30s can do against pure level 50s? I am a mid level PvPer as far a skill level goes. Pawn some, get pawned some, and fair pretty well against other average players. Yes, there is a palpable difference when I am fighting a level 50 on my level 20. , but I have taken down a few. I have left a few with 1k health before I died and watched them get taken out by others and I dont cry about kill steals either. I have never been one shot by any player or class. But this is all one vs one and PvP shouldnt be that way except in a gladiator style arena. PvP is a team sport. There are objectives. How many times you die, how much healing you do or how much damage you do is meaning less if you dont accomplish the oblectives, and win. I am not saying that brackets are bad, just that everything should be blamed on the current system. Its actually pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphen Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 10-2930-4950 More then enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannicus Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Brackets mean the exact same problems you just gave and introduce a host of others. Bolstering needs improvements and that's about it. If you had a team full of 20-30s you were OUTPLAYED because by now you've got a solid array of abilities and talents. The only thing I'd want to see is an option for level 50s to queue up with only other 50s. Bolster is an excellent system that solves many problems and makes solving others easier. Brackets promote unfair twinking and result in the exact same problems that Bolster has now, being disparity in gear/abilities/talents. Bolster's advantage is that they can simply alter how much contribution lower levels get from gear and even provide DISadvantage to max levels that lack Expertise gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosi Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 The problem I have with level brackets is that queue times in the lower lvl brackets will slow down. Tier 2 (lvl 12-21 originally) and Tier 3 (lvl 22-31 originally) scenario (warzone) queues in Warhammer died out really fast. I enjoyed leveling through scenarios in Warhammer and would like to do that in this game with warzones. As scenario pops slowed down in Warhammer's tier 2 and tier 3, I simply stopped leveling alts. They would need a way to keep warzone pops happening at lower levels in order for me to support level brackets. Other than that, I fully support adding level brackets for pvp. I'm glad they have bolster, but still, a range of 40 lvls in the same warzone seems pretty ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paralassa Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Hi there! There is an active discussion thread for this topic: The State Of PvP ( Warzones ) - Brackets Desperately Needed! In the interest of consolidating discussion, we have closed this thread and ask that you use the one linked above for any further discussion. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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