Lacedemon Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 This is after nerf with character at level 55 in good gear (looks 180-ish, assuming from HP). It was a real nightmare when it got released (gear recommended/required was Columi gear, a gear that dropped only from operations). It was Tionese they balanced it around. Something that many including myself found it do be do able in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) This is after nerf with character at level 55 in good gear (looks 180-ish, assuming from HP). It was a real nightmare when it got released (gear recommended/required was Columi gear, a gear that dropped only from operations). Hmmmm... Columi tokens dropped at the end of LV50 HM flashpoints, not to mention you could actually purchase them with commendations. Perhaps you were thinking of Rakata Gear. Regardless, Columi was fine for Lost Island HM. Edited September 9, 2014 by Darth_Wicked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries_cz Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Why, what makes you so confident that no one found it easy? Because unless you were a hardcore raider, it was very difficult when it got released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries_cz Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Ok, I stand corrected on the gear, I really do not remember how it was balanced or where the gear used to drop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML_DoubleTap Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Try it, quite a few people in Drop it Like it's Hoth have solo'd it, I know of both Jugg DPS and Merc healers who have done it. Required geared companions but then there is no real reason if you raid to not have a companion in at least full 180's with some Dread Touched with the amount of that that goes to waste. You're talking about soloing a lvl 50 HM in gear like 4-5 tiers above what was intended. I guarantee you nobody was soloing it on tier When first released it was at the same level if not harder than HM EC, but was nerfed a few times after it's initial release. You know, NiM EV and KP used to be fairly difficult too...just because they're trivial now as 55s in gear twice as strong as on tier doesn't mean it wasn't hard when it released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterBlackJack Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) It was Tionese they balanced it around. Something that many including myself found it do be do able in. they balanced it around Columni gear because it dropped Rakata gear on the last boss. which was at the time 2nd highest tier. Lost Island was no joke Edited September 9, 2014 by MisterBlackJack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterBlackJack Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Why, what makes you so confident that no one found it easy? because they wouldn't nerf it as many times as they did if it was easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halinalle Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Ok, I stand corrected on the gear, I really do not remember how it was balanced or where the gear used to drop And this is why people have unrealistic requirements for level 50 HMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Wicked Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 And this is why people have unrealistic requirements for level 50 HMs. I know this one dude on the Red Eclipse that asks for 162+ AR people for KP SM & HM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterBlackJack Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 And this is why people have unrealistic requirements for level 50 HMs. It was balanced around full set of Columni gear (when campaign gear came out but still required running Story mode ops). That i do remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacedemon Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 You're talking about soloing a lvl 50 HM in gear like 4-5 tiers above what was intended. I guarantee you nobody was soloing it on tier When first released it was at the same level if not harder than HM EC, but was nerfed a few times after it's initial release. You know, NiM EV and KP used to be fairly difficult too...just because they're trivial now as 55s in gear twice as strong as on tier doesn't mean it wasn't hard when it released I am talking about Maanan not Lost Island Because unless you were a hardcore raider, it was very difficult when it got released. Which I am they balanced it around Columni gear because it dropped Rakata gear on the last boss. which was at the time 2nd highest tier. Lost Island was no joke Search for the yellow post. It is Tioneese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML_DoubleTap Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I am talking about Maanan not Lost Island Gotcha, couldn't tell which part of the post you were responding too I haven't tried soloing Maanan yet, but I've done both Czerkas and the Tython one...Manaan definitely seems at least a bit harder than those two though. Which I am Honestly, no FP is going to be a challenge to the top progression raiders, but it was refreshing to have an FP that was at least somewhat challenging. You have to admit it was at least more fun than any other HM to that point or after. Unfortunately BW has said they're sticking to tacticals so the hope for harder FPs is pretty much pointless I'd love to get HMs back and even NiM FPs that are scaled to at least HM Operation difficulty. Since they have the ability to bolster players and we also have some level appropriate instances/encounters in game, it would be best if they could scale all FPs to the gear level of the group. Most of the logic should be in game already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterBlackJack Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) I am talking about Maanan not Lost Island his response is based on your statement of Lost Island being a faceroll which to 95% of the playerbase it was not Edited September 9, 2014 by MisterBlackJack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwipe Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Have to say the Rakata Prime boss fights were super boring with little to no mechanics. Boss eithers are either two guys or guy with some adds. There isn't anything interesting like the Manaan fights. Given there isn't a vendor either this FP seems a bit rushed and used to deliver a story to prep for 3.0 and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries_cz Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Have to say the Rakata Prime boss fights were super boring with little to no mechanics. Boss eithers are either two guys or guy with some adds. There isn't anything interesting like the Manaan fights. Given there isn't a vendor either this FP seems a bit rushed and used to deliver a story to prep for 3.0 and nothing more. Even the great Cartel Associate 0U-1FY agrees with us, yaaay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacedemon Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Unfortunately BW has said they're sticking to tacticals so the hope for harder FPs is pretty much pointless I'd love to get HMs back and even NiM FPs that are scaled to at least HM Operation difficulty. Since they have the ability to bolster players and we also have some level appropriate instances/encounters in game, it would be best if they could scale all FPs to the gear level of the group. Most of the logic should be in game already. I expect we won't see HM's until the expansion if we see them again, I would guess things like Red Reaper and Colidcoid will get HM's. And some or all of the Tacticals will have two brackets like now: 10 to 59 and lvl 60. That gives them flashpoint level content at lvl 60 (or whatever the cap will be) Without having to slave away making brand new FP's which would take development time away from other aspects of the Expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrgames Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I know this one dude on the Red Eclipse that asks for 162+ AR people for KP SM & HM. Because gear > understanding mech There is a guild on Pot5 that want close to full 180 gear for the Eyeless HM. Why because they don't understand mech so they over gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrigPt Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Looks great Story good Too much running Too easy I wish they'd spend as much time on the fights as they clearly did on the scenery. At least with Manaan you could wipe on the 2nd boss if people screwed up. They should do a gear check and scale Tactical FPs based on composition and average gear rating of the group. Last rant they've made it so easy to get gear now that they shouldn't need to tune a tactical FP to a fresh 55 in 146 gear. Maybe their play-testers suck so hard they actually thought this was a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayLoud Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Lost Island difficult? Doesn't look that difficult tbh. As somebody else said, that is post-nerf, with a well geared lvl 55 character. What wasn't mentioned, is that video is showing the SM version of the post-nerf Lost Island. Back in the day, my guild could beat the HM versions of EV and KP without trouble. We found those HM Ops to be much easier than HM Lost Island. Lost Island was not worth the trouble. Basically, if you were able to defeat Lost Island, the loot drops probably weren't upgrades for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianDavion Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 thing about Lost island is no one did it. BW has metrics to prove it. why the hell WOULD you do it when the amount of difficulty involved was greatly at odds with the loot you got from it. Lost island and explosive conflict came out to attempt to appease the hard core "we want **** hard as hell" crowd, whom all left anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essence_of_Light Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I expect we won't see HM's until the expansion if we see them again, I would guess things like Red Reaper and Colidcoid will get HM's. And some or all of the Tacticals will have two brackets like now: 10 to 59 and lvl 60. That gives them flashpoint level content at lvl 60 (or whatever the cap will be) Without having to slave away making brand new FP's which would take development time away from other aspects of the Expansion. ^This is exactly what I think will happen. I can't think of any other reason they'd be holding back HMs unless if they purposefully wanted to annoy the customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khevar Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 That said, why do people hold Lost Island up on a pedalstall. That FP was also a piece of piss to run, harder than the rest but still faceroll... You answered your own question with the highlighted portion. I personally hold Lost Island up on a pedestal. Not because it was impossible to run, but because it had the most interesting mechanics. The combat was fun. It required you to pay attention. I got better at interrupting, positioning bosses, managing resources, burst dps'ing, moving out of bad, simply by playing that flashpoint. Are there any other flashpoints in this game that require that? Hmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
errant_knight Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) It is the same with Maanan, you can solo that as well. That said, why do people hold Lost Island up on a pedalstall. That FP was also a piece of piss to run, harder than the rest but still faceroll... You clearly didn't play Lost Island before the 2 nerfs. Haven't played this yet, but I'm more disappointed that this story line turned out to be nothing but cutscenes before and after flashpoints. I expected a great deal more from it. That being said, tactical flashpoint *are* far too easy. It's kind of a given. Anything you can do without a healer or a tank is going to be. In my opinion, while Korriban/Tython was suitable for a tactical--a sort of mad zerg through enemy territory--Manaan should have been a longer more complex flashpoint along the lines of the fps available a launch which were a blend of tactics and meaningful story content. I'm going to assume that the new one is much the same as Manaan. These new fps compare most unfavorably to Black Hole or Kaon (for example). That's not to say Manaan was devoid of fun. I had a good time 2 manning it with a friend, but the fact that I could, and easily, pretty much says it all right there. I am looking forward to seeing the Rakata planet and have found the story interesting and engaging. It could have been so much more, though. Edited September 9, 2014 by errant_knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML_DoubleTap Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 ^This is exactly what I think will happen. I can't think of any other reason they'd be holding back HMs unless if they purposefully wanted to annoy the customers. I'm fairly sure they said in a livestream that they're going away from HM FPs and just sticking solely to tacticals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
errant_knight Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I'm fairly sure they said in a livestream that they're going away from HM FPs and just sticking solely to tacticals. I feel a little sick right now. Can anyone confirm this atrocity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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