Reno_Tarshil Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I've quoted the TOS parts about 3 times now, and have explained why it is against the TOS. You should probably go back and read them. And I've countered quoted why it doesn't apply here 3 times already. You should prolly go back and re read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvenHardNiner Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 And I've countered quoted why it doesn't apply here 3 times already. You should prolly go back and re read them. If you actually read what I say, you will realise your "counter quotes" are entirely invalid. Please go back and re-read it so maybe you will learn the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Well yeah I guess it would. But still, you distress players if you trick players and take their money. I similarly distress players if I steal their kill or run past and open the crate while they are killing the mob around said crate. Or if I buy an item that someone accidentally put up for 450.000 instead of 4.500.000 on the GTN. Still isn't against the ToS, no matter how much it might "interfere with other service users ability to enjoy the game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 If you actually read what I say, you will realise your "counter quotes" are entirely invalid. Please go back and re-read it so maybe you will learn the truth Same could be said to you. I hope you realize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Seriusly guys... just stop with this thread already.... no matter what you say you will not get EvenHard to acknowledge that he is at fault. With him its all circular arguments and passing off his opinions as fact or truth, while at the same time dismissing rational counter arguments as "your opinion", "victim blaming" and what not. Just ignore him and let the thread die so that he can disappear along with it... It's rather amusing isn't it? I'll stop when I've had my fill. It is quite enjoyable to argue with people like him from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvenHardNiner Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I similarly distress players if I steal their kill or run past and open the crate while they are killing the mob around said crate. Or if I buy an item that someone accidentally put up for 450.000 instead of 4.500.000 on the GTN. Still isn't against the ToS, no matter how much it might "interfere with other service users ability to enjoy the game". Killing players in open world isn't against the TOS because it's an intended game mechanic. That's why we have PVE and PVP servers. If you're selling an item you have full control over how much you put the item for, if you accidentally put it up for 450,000 instead of 4500000, that is your own fault. However players do not "accidentally" put items on the GTN that are way overpriced, and are meant to look like lower prices because of the way the numbers are displayed. Buyers may accidentally read what the prices are though. But yes, it's their fault that they proceeded with the transaction, but it's not their fault if they were tricked by how the numbers are displayed. Edited November 10, 2014 by EvenHardNiner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieKirby Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Problems like this, is why i tend to avoid the GTN as much as possible, i only sell on there, i never buy, i know how greedy alot of players can be, they just put as many zero's as possible to see if it sells, i mean, if it doesn't sell, you get your damn deposit back. I suggest a change, make it so that you lose the deposit, even if it doesn't sell the item you post and increase the deposit for all items, that should stop the problem. When it comes to scams, bioware should strictly monitor all trades and anything bad, the person doing the trading should get banned. end of story. I know, it will never happen, all these companies care about is their profit margin, so the only time the company will intervene in anything is if their profits are in danger or they are in danger of being sued if they don't do anything.....such is the way of humanity.....only doing something good if it benefits you in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronV Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It's rather amusing isn't it? I'll stop when I've had my fill. It is quite enjoyable to argue with people like him from time to time. Yea look a few pages back and you'll see that Ive been arguing a fair bit with him. Sure it could be fun, but when you have zero chance of getting anywhere with him then theres no point (unless your intention is to get him to showcase his own stupidity). Keeping this thread alive and at the top really only attracts more crazies and gives people the impression it is a bigger issue than it really is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewitchdoctor Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It's rather amusing isn't it? I'll stop when I've had my fill. It is quite enjoyable to argue with people like him from time to time. I just want to find out if the tiger ate the naked man. Or if the naked man found a GTN that had a spear for sale that wasn't too overpriced so that the naked man could kill the tiger and take its skin and sell it back to the other tigers for an astronomical price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Killing players in open world isn't against the TOS because it's an intended game mechanic. That's why we have PVE and PVP servers. If you're selling an item you have full control over how much you put the item for, if you accidentally put it up for 450,000 instead of 4500000, that is your own fault. However players do not "accidentally" put items on the GTN that are way overpriced, and are meant to look like lower prices because of the way the numbers are displayed. Buyers may accidentally read what the prices are though. But yes, it's their fault that they proceeded with the transaction, but it's not their fault if they were tricked by how the numbers are displayed. No they have free reign to list an item at any price they choose just like a buyer has free reign to decide if they wish to buy said item or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvenHardNiner Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Yea look a few pages back and you'll see that Ive been arguing a fair bit with him. Sure it could be fun, but when you have zero chance of getting anywhere with him then theres no point.. I totally agree. Theres no chance of ever making you lot understand you are wrong. But i'm enjoying this debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstankaroslo Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) "My friend just stopped playing. Says he's lost 9 million credits to some individual named 'wisimulacha', over a stash of Opila Crystals" "I have been a crafter here in SWTOR. Gathering materials and crafting pretty things was my favourite activity. When I lost 7 million credits trying to buy a stash of Ciridium on the GTN from some vbyikl'gusd (or what was their name) I lost my fuel to do it anymore" "I hate this game now! My first character finally was able to afford speeder piloting, but I accidentally spent it all for 4 pieces of Desh on the GTN. I thought I was paying 187 credits for one, when n reality I payed 18789 for it. Going back to Skyrim" Just kidding with those citations, but they are not entirely impossible. With current display of decimals on GTN, there appear to be more and more specialized individuals (with ridiculous names, clearly created just for GTN use) who regularly try to deceive players into buying stuff for much more than intended. I wish developers would change the decimal display on GTN Edited November 10, 2014 by jstankaroslo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvenHardNiner Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 No they have free reign to list an item at any price they choose just like a buyer has free reign to decide if they wish to buy said item or not. Yes they do, but the buyer has no choice whether he is tricked or not. The seller however has a choice whether or not they want to trick the buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Killing players in open world isn't against the TOS because it's an intended game mechanic. That's why we have PVE and PVP servers. If you're selling an item you have full control over how much you put the item for, if you accidentally put it up for 450,000 instead of 4500000, that is your own fault. However players do not "accidentally" put items on the GTN that are way overpriced, and are meant to look like lower prices because of the way the numbers are displayed. Buyers may accidentally read what the prices are though. But yes, it's their fault that they proceeded with the transaction, but it's not their fault if they were tricked by how the numbers are displayed. Read again. Never said anything about killing other players or PvP. So, please, go back and read my examples, or I'll simply post them again until you actually read them and reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Yea look a few pages back and you'll see that Ive been arguing a fair bit with him. Sure it could be fun, but when you have zero chance of getting anywhere with him then theres no point (unless your intention is to get him to showcase his own stupidity). Keeping this thread alive and at the top really only attracts more crazies and gives people the impression it is a bigger issue than it really is... I see you've discovered my ulterior motives And yes, this will attract attention to the thread. But not only from crazies, but from bioware too so maby they can step in and end this madness once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvenHardNiner Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Read again. Never said anything about killing other players or PvP. So, please, go back and read my examples, or I'll simply post them again until you actually read them and reply. Oh my bad, I thought you said kill other players. But killing other players mobs? If you attack a mob nobody else can get the loot. But obviously whoever attacks it first gets the kill. And for taking their crates...well it''s open world, it's not in an instanced area, so anybody can take the crate. Not sure what your point is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Yes they do, but the buyer has no choice whether he is tricked or not. The seller however has a choice whether or not they want to trick the buyer. Yes he does. All he has to do is pay attention and he won't be tricked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reno_Tarshil Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Yes they do, but the buyer has no choice whether he is tricked or not. The seller however has a choice whether or not they want to trick the buyer. You can't possibly be even remotely tricked if you do not buy the item. Shocking I know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronV Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Problems like this, is why i tend to avoid the GTN as much as possible, i only sell on there, i never buy, i know how greedy alot of players can be, they just put as many zero's as possible to see if it sells, i mean, if it doesn't sell, you get your damn deposit back. I suggest a change, make it so that you lose the deposit, even if it doesn't sell the item you post and increase the deposit for all items, that should stop the problem. When it comes to scams, bioware should strictly monitor all trades and anything bad, the person doing the trading should get banned. end of story. Yup we should put systems in place to ensure that buyers always get the lowest price no matter what! To hell with seller profits! Damn it buyers have a god given right to get whatever they want for an ultra low price! Edited November 10, 2014 by BaronV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvenHardNiner Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Yes he does. All he has to do is pay attention and he won't be tricked. Sure people should be paying attention, but for some people, especially new players, they may be tricked, and they will obviously learn from their mistake, but it doesn't mean the practice should continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvenHardNiner Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 You can't possibly be even remotely tricked if you do not buy the item. Shocking I know! Well duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Oh my bad, I thought you said kill other players. But killing other players mobs? If you attack a mob nobody else can get the loot. But obviously whoever attacks it first gets the kill. And for taking their crates...well it''s open world, it's not in an instanced area, so anybody can take the crate. Not sure what your point is though. Point is it annoys them and interferes with their ability to enjoy the game. So... as much against the ToS as this so-called "scam". Oh and as for your comment on the seller forgetting a 0. It's obvious for me that he forgot a 0 (since he's selling something for 5 million less than the competition) and I buy it anyway, willfully exploiting his negligence. It's the same as someone selling something at a ludicrous price to someone who isn't paying attention (just like the seller wasn't paying attention) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTap Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I'm not going to read through all these pages of nonsense, but what exactly would you propose OP? If they start putting a 'low' maximum price on everything, forcing us to list things for less than we want as players, then we would really have a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronV Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Oh my bad, I thought you said kill other players. But killing other players mobs? If you attack a mob nobody else can get the loot. But obviously whoever attacks it first gets the kill. And for taking their crates...well it''s open world, it's not in an instanced area, so anybody can take the crate. Not sure what your point is though. Oh I loved this part! Its perfectly okay to be a ninja loot stealer but dont you DARE list a price on the GTN that would make me mistakenly read it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddballEasyEight Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Sure people should be paying attention, but for some people, especially new players, they may be tricked, and they will obviously learn from their mistake, but it doesn't mean the practice should continue. You trying to say a new player would have enough cash to accidentally buy something for millions of credits? By the time you have enough money to make a fool of yourself (aka "get scammed") on the GTN, you are no longer "a new player" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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