Kaggath Battlegrounds Heats - Republic Reborn vs Wroshyr Alliance

[Selenial]

And what did that result in? The crippling of an entire blockade.

 

 

Worth a shot.

[Aurbere]

With the Hutt Cartel, I also get access to the Vast array of fighters and smugglers in the underworld, and as the Space battle likely wouldn't start immediately, those on my supply world (Which just happens to be the battleground) and those from around the Galaxy could join the fight.

 

So yeh, we should discuss the difference that a lot of underworld freighters, and Sienar ships would bring.

 

Note of course, that Yes, Revan and Meetra have worked with the Hutts before, and Jace witnessed the blockade of the Hydian way being broken by Hylo Visz, which would likely give him a trust of the underworld that some people don't have.

 

 

I don't think your supplier can access the entire galaxy. I thought it was just their designated home base.

[Beniboybling]

Concerning the capabilities of the Hutt Cartel;

 

#35 The organisation is capable of operating, and has access to all its assets outside the scope of its base of operations. Its abilities are not limited in anyway – only its abilities to provide your faction with physical units which can only be provided in small quantities.

 

So the Hutt Cartel doesn't just have its resources on Makeb, but it can't start fielding armies or fleets I'm afraid.

[Aurbere]

Concerning the capabilities of the Hutt Cartel;

 

#35 The organisation is capable of operating, and has access to all its assets outside the scope of its base of operations. Its abilities are not limited in anyway – only its abilities to provide your faction with physical units which can only be provided in small quantities.

 

So the Hutt Cartel doesn't just have its resources on Makeb, but it can't start fielding armies or fleets I'm afraid.

 

I see.

[Selenial]

Concerning the capabilities of the Hutt Cartel;

 

#35 The organisation is capable of operating, and has access to all its assets outside the scope of its base of operations. Its abilities are not limited in anyway – only its abilities to provide your faction with physical units which can only be provided in small quantities.

 

So the Hutt Cartel doesn't just have its resources on Makeb, but it can't start fielding armies or fleets I'm afraid.

 

Yeh, I'm not asking for the War Fleet or anything, just a few Bounty Hunters, Smugglers etc, and their own freighters.

 

Imagine the XS Freighter, or the Swtor Bh ship, those types of things. They'd be disastrous for the Battle Dragons too.

 

Beni, just curious, what types of offence were you going to allow from the Thunderclap? I'm assuming they get the normal lasers, high end, High tech shields, Concussion missiles etc. but Will there be any specialized ships with the items from the SWTOR Space Missions, like EMP's?

[Beniboybling]

Yeh, I'm not asking for the War Fleet or anything, just a few Bounty Hunters, Smugglers etc, and their own freighters.

 

Imagine the XS Freighter, or the Swtor Bh ship, those types of things. They'd be disastrous for the Battle Dragons too.

 

Beni, just curious, what types of offence were you going to allow from the Thunderclap? I'm assuming they get the normal lasers, high end, High tech shields, Concussion missiles etc. but Will there be any specialized ships with the items from the SWTOR Space Missions, like EMP's?

Considering you have the resources of the Hutt Cartel and Santhe/Sienar at your disposal, I think it would be fair to say that the Thunderclap would have all the latest tech.

[Aurbere]

I'm pretty excited for this battle, because the enviroment poses so many possibilities and it won't be just about defeating your opponent, but about controlling key areas. So bear that in mind.

 

Anyway the arbiter for this Kaggath will be LadyKulvax.

 

And a few notes:

 

 

• The X-Wing model in question is the T-65XJ variant.
   
   
  
• The Interdictors are pre-Rakatan upgrade, if they ever had any.
  

 

Looking for quotes for space forces and I wanted to question one thing. Are the X-Wings in question going to employ its various models IE. XJ3, StealthX, XJ5, XJ6, and XJ7?

[Selenial]

Looking for quotes for space forces and I wanted to question one thing. Are the X-Wings in question going to employ its various models IE. XJ3, StealthX, XJ5, XJ6, and XJ7?

 

I was curious about this too, though the StealthX wouldn't exactly be a military model, so that one would be excluded.

[Selenial]

Considering you have the resources of the Hutt Cartel and Santhe/Sienar at your disposal, I think it would be fair to say that the Thunderclap would have all the latest tech.

 

/Dance

 

Jace is happy.... You can so tell

 

So wait, I get concussion missiles, Power conversion modules, Proton Torpedo's and the Electronic War Pod?

 

*drools*

[Aurbere]

I was curious about this too, though the StealthX wouldn't exactly be a military model, so that one would be excluded.

 

That's what I was thinking. I want to get some clarification before I starting providing sourcebook quotes about how awesome the X-Wing is.

[Aurbere]

The RR is deploying TIE Fighters (and their more epic variants) as well, right?

[Selenial]

The RR is deploying TIE Fighters (and their more epic variants) as well, right?

 

TIE's, perhaps, they could be the only fighters actually launched from the capital ships (Allowing the starfighters that I had with my original fleet to jump in on their own) but I don't know....

[Aurbere]

TIE's, perhaps, they could be the only fighters actually launched from the capital ships (Allowing the starfighters that I had with my original fleet to jump in on their own) but I don't know....

 

Well, I'll leave those out for now.

[Selenial]

Well, I'll leave those out for now.

 

Just to clarify, I think Defenders would be fielded, as would a few others, I just wasn't sure about basic TIE's.

[Beniboybling]

Looking for quotes for space forces and I wanted to question one thing. Are the X-Wings in question going to employ its various models IE. XJ3, StealthX, XJ5, XJ6, and XJ7?

Probably the latest model, but possibly multiple models if that were the norm.

 

No Stealth Xs however.

So wait, I get concussion missiles, Power conversion modules, Proton Torpedo's and the Electronic War Pod?

 

*drools*

I don't even know what an electronic war pod is lawls. Edited July 28, 2014 by Beniboybling

[Silenceo]

I don't even know what an electronic war pod is lawls.

 

Rechargeable AoE EMP.

Edited July 28, 2014 by Silenceo

[Aurbere]

Probably the latest model, but possibly multiple models if that were the norm.

 

No Stealth Xs however.

 

Very well.

[Selenial]

Probably the latest model, but possibly multiple models if that were the norm.

 

No Stealth Xs however.I don't even know what an electronic war pod is lawls.

 

Electronic War Pod was basically overcharging the shields to the point where the ship couldn't sustain any damage for a few seconds.

 

But good on the Stealth X's, I never thought highly of them.

[Aurbere]

So here's some quotes that I could find about the space forces in this match-up.

 

X-Wing:

 

The Rebels began producing X-Wings in modest numbers, and the vehicle quickly became one of the most important weapons in the Alliance arsenal.

 

The X-Wing played a pivotal role at the Battle of Yavin, enabling young pilot Luke Skywalker to fly into the Death Star's trench and target a small, two-meter wide exhaust port. Luke was aided by the Force, but the mission would not have succeeded without the X-Wing's superior capabilities. In fact, many students of technology claim that the X-Wing is the most advanced single-pilot starfighter ever produced.

 

One of the X-Wing's greatest assets is its durability. The fighter's reinforced titanium-alloy hull, Chempat deflector screen and deflector shield projectors, and transparisteel canopy ensure that it can withstand several hits without suffering serious damage.

 

Since the Battle of Yavin, several X-Wing variants have been produced. The T-65A3 is a simple upgrade with improved shields, laser cannons, and targeting computers. The T-65AC4 was designed for increased durability and can withstand more punishment than other X-Wings. A reconnaissance X-Wing, the T-65R or "snoop", lacks weapons and instead carries a host of sensors. The newest version, the T-65XJ3, was introduced shortly before the fall of Coruscant to the Yuuzhan Vong, and includes three proton torpedo launchers.

 

-New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels

 

B-Wing:

 

"You're among the best pilots in the galaxy. You'll have to be if you want to control this starship."

- Admiral Ackbar

 

The B-Wing was the Rebellion's most formidable assault starfighter, armed with an array of weapons and unique cockpit and wing designs.

 

A standard configuration consists of twin auto blasters on the cockpit, two proton torpedo launchers at the craft's mid-section, ion cannons at the tip of each secondary wing, and an ion cannon, laser cannon, and proton torpedo launcher at the base of the central wing. An advanced targeting computer aids the pilot in combat by linking the ion cannons and proton torpedo launchers for full-out assaults on starships.

 

Because of its heavy armament, the B-Wing's primary mission profile includes attacks on much larger Imperial ships. Utilizing ion cannons and other unusual weapons, the B-Wing is capable of quickly disabling these targets.

 

-New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels

 

E-Wing:

 

Developed by the same engineers who created Incom's X-Wing starfighter, the E-Wing, in many ways, an improvement over the "state-of-the-art" A-Wing. While not as fast as the A-Wing, the E-Wing can keep pace with TIE Interceptors, and is better armored than other New Republic starfighters, including the X-Wing. Its armaments are rivaled only by the B-Wing's arsenal.

 

The E-Wing's primary weapons are three fire-linked laser cannons, one located at each wing, with the third installed directly above the cockpit. Sixteen proton torpedoes allow devastating attacks on capital ships and military installations. Because of its greater firepower, the E-Wing often doubles as medium-range assault craft.

 

-New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels

 

K-Wing:

 

The K-Wing's ideal mission profile involves close-range, precision bombardment of planetary targets, space stations, or slow-moving capital ships. However, it is also a competent escort fighter and short-range reconnaissance vehicle.

 

As benefiting its role in the New Republic fleet, the K-Wing supports an unprecedented arsenal for a vehicle of its size. Eighteen hard points spread across the three wings allow New Republic engineers to arm the vehicle with a variety of physical weapons, including concussion missiles, flechette missiles, sublight torpedoes, thermal warheads, and floating mines. The drawback to this system is obvious: once a K-Wing fires its last weapon, it is without heavy firepower and must return to a docking bay to rearm.

 

When attacked by starfighters, the K-Wing can open fire with a short-range quad turbolaser turret and a medium-range twin laser cannon turret, both mounted on its command module.

 

-New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels

 

Alright, so those were the quotes that I could find. Now to apply them to the debate.

 

I feel that, while not outclassed, the RR's fighters and bombers are behind the WA's primary fighters and bombers. The E-Wing and K-Wing sport more overall firepower than the X-Wing and B-Wing, though the K-Wing's arsenal is limited, which gives an edge to the RR units.

 

Overall, E-Wing > X-Wing due to its superior speed, maneuverability, durability, and firepower. And the B-Wing > K-Wing in the long term due to its more sustainable offense. However, the K-Wing has a greater variety of weapons for use against warships, which is what a bomber is for.

 

So basically, the E-Wing is a superior fighter superiority unit to the X-Wing, and the K-Wing is a superior bomber to the B-Wing. I would say that the E-Wing is solidly superior to the X-Wing, whereas the B-Wing is superior to the K-Wing in the long-term because it has a more sustained weapons system than the K-Wing.

 

Edit: Question: Are upgraded models of these ships being employed as well, or just the standard?

 

Edit #2: After taking into account the upgraded X-Wing models, I would have to say that the RR's X-Wings get the fighter edge.

Edited July 28, 2014 by Aurbere

[Selenial]

Aurbere, just curious, in your comparison between the X-Wing and The E-Wing were you using the correct model of the X-wing?

 

Just curious, because you say the E-Wing is better armed, and I'm not too sure why, as the X-Wing has 4 Heavy Laser canons as opposed to the 3 Standard Laser Canons of the E-wing, and has 3 proton Torpedo launchers, which whilst sporting a lesser capacity, have an increased rate of fire over the E-Wing.

 

The T-65XJ3 even fitted 12 Heavy proton torpedoes, Backup shield generators, greater targeting computers and more....

 

Just a little curious, since a lot of your sources seem to be Rebellion Era, (IE, The early models) Not the Later NJO versions that the RR is using...

[Aurbere]

Aurbere, just curious, in your comparison between the X-Wing and The E-Wing were you using the correct model of the X-wing?

 

Just curious, because you say the E-Wing is better armed, and I'm not too sure why, as the X-Wing has 4 Heavy Laser canons as opposed to the 3 Standard Laser Canons of the E-wing, and has 3 proton Torpedo launchers, which whilst sporting a lesser capacity, have an increased rate of fire over the E-Wing.

 

The T-65XJ3 even fitted 12 Heavy proton torpedoes, Backup shield generators, greater targeting computers and more....

 

Just a little curious, since a lot of your sources seem to be Rebellion Era, (IE, The early models) Not the Later NJO versions that the RR is using...

 

Yeah, the New Essential Guides don't cover too far into post-ROTJ, so my sources on the newer X-Wings were limited. Anyway...

 

I wasn't sure how many of each variant was being used, so I stuck with the standard X-Wing for a comparison. I mean, the OP just says "X-Wing". Not very informative since the X-Wing is such a long-standing and heavily modified vessel. However, I did some quick research on the XJ3. It is likely equal to, if not superior to, the E-Wing, but I'm not sure how many are deployed in this group. As you can probably tell by now, some statistics for composition would be necessary for me to make a proper judgment.

[Selenial]

The X-Wing model in question is the T-65XJ variant.

 

The Interdictors are pre-Rakatan upgrade, if they ever had any.

 

^^

All of them are at least the BAMF NJO Era, and if you wanted to split those up more in depth, they'd probably all be XJ3, XJ5 or XJ7....

[Aurbere]

^^

All of them are at least the BAMF NJO Era, and if you wanted to split those up more in depth, they'd probably all be XJ3, XJ5 or XJ7....

 

And I replied to that post... How did I forget that? /facepalm

 

Anyway, those fighters seem pretty rare, but if that's what we're going, I'll change my opinion.

 

Edit: OK, I put an edit in my analysis.

Edited July 28, 2014 by Aurbere

[StarSquirrel]

The XJ should be classes as an elite fighter. The NJO and Elite squadrons (like rouge) got them but not the entire fleet and the E-wing was in fact the standardized replacement. The XJ is an elite fighter...

 

Besides, Antilles was never associated with the XJ5, XJ6, and XJ7 iirc, by then he was a general/retired and didn't fly anymore.

 

Gee... I keep going after your stuff Sel, oh well Tune ain't here to defend himself.

 

Also Aurbere, I agreed with your initial assessment. It matched up to mine quite well. It was interesting to note your point about the B-wing though, I'd agree with that.

[Aurbere]

The XJ should be classes as an elite fighter. The NJO and Elite squadrons (like rouge) got them but not the entire fleet and the E-wing was in fact the standardized replacement. The XJ is an elite fighter...

 

Besides, Antilles was never associated with the XJ5, XJ6, and XJ7 iirc, by then he was a general/retired and didn't fly anymore.

 

Gee... I keep going after your stuff Sel, oh well Tune ain't here to defend himself.

 

Also Aurbere, I agreed with your initial assessment. It matched up to mine quite well. It was interesting to note your point about the B-wing though, I'd agree with that.

 

They probably should be classed as elite, but I can't do anything about that. However, if we go back to standard X-Wings, my initial assessment would be my opinion on the matter.

 

Thanks for agreeing with my assessment, though. I wanted to be as impartial as I could even though the X-Wing and B-Wing are two of my favorite starfighters.