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The current top listed Marauder/Sentinel parse, Ele'thon seems to be invalid, i.e. rule breaker. I suspect no one noticed because it's in German.

 

He hits Berserk/Zen before he has registered the number of attacks needed to build up sufficient Fury. He's got leftover fury from the previous 29 second dummy session he did a few seconds before the submitted parse. That can't be duplicated in raid conditions. He then hits Frenzy (Tapferer Ruf) which proves that's not where the early Fury came from, because if it was, it would still be on cooldown.

 

I know he posts a lot here...is there an explanation I've missed? It's a good parse but don't see how this works.

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The current top listed Marauder/Sentinel parse, Ele'thon seems to be invalid, i.e. rule breaker. I suspect no one noticed because it's in German.

 

He hits Berserk/Zen before he has registered the number of attacks needed to build up sufficient Fury. He's got leftover fury from the previous 29 second dummy session he did a few seconds before the submitted parse. That can't be duplicated in raid conditions. He then hits Frenzy (Tapferer Ruf) which proves that's not where the early Fury came from, because if it was, it would still be on cooldown.

 

Still a good parse, but it does not appear to follow the rules.

 

Actually it's just as valid as somebody speccing over to Combat quickly, building Centering with Contemplation and then respeccing to Watchman. This just happens to be much easier to do and less of a pain to rearrange bars. Is it doable in a raid situation? Yes. Is it something you'll do every time? Probably not. Most of the Watchman parses are done using one of the above methods to achieve a higher burst off the bat.

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Still very far away from BiS 186 (want to have mainhand and all that stuff):

 

Zah'ik - Hybrid Lethality Sniper (5/18/23) - 4m 19.985 s - 3848 DPS - Drop it Like it's Hoth

 

Torparse: http://www.torparse.com/a/716690/time/1404768552/1404768812/0/Overview

23:29:12.300 Zah'ik enters combat.

23:33:32.285 Zah'ik kills Operations Training Dummy.

AMR: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/2c49a567-d136-43e5-8abb-07c8e471b6b3

 

Zah'ik - Engineering Sniper (4/36/6) - 3m 42.052 s - 4503 DPS - Drop it Like it's Hoth

Torparse: http://www.torparse.com/a/718128/time/1404861534/1404861756/0/Overview

01:18:54.153 Zah'ik enters combat.

01:22:36.205 Zah'ik kills Operations Training Dummy..

 

Same AMR

 

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Still very far away from BiS 186 (want to have mainhand and all that stuff):

 

Zah'ik - Hybrid Sniper (5/18/23) - 4m 19.985 s - 3848 DPS - Drop it Like it's Hoth

 

Torparse: http://www.torparse.com/a/716690/time/1404768552/1404768812/0/Overview

23:29:12.300 Zah'ik enters combat.

23:33:32.285 Zah'ik kills Operations Training Dummy.

AMR: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/2c49a567-d136-43e5-8abb-07c8e471b6b3

 

Zah'ik - Engineering Sniper (4/36/6) - 3m 46.219 s - 4439 DPS - Drop it Like it's Hoth

Torparse: http://www.torparse.com/a/716768/time/1404773075/1404773302/0/Overview

00:44:35.833 Zah'ik enters combat.

00:48:22.052 Zah'ik kills Operations Training Dummy.

 

Same AMR

 

./applauses to Master Zahik for running Hybrid parses constantly. :D

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Actually it's just as valid as somebody speccing over to Combat quickly, building Centering with Contemplation and then respeccing to Watchman. This just happens to be much easier to do and less of a pain to rearrange bars. Is it doable in a raid situation? Yes. Is it something you'll do every time? Probably not. Most of the Watchman parses are done using one of the above methods to achieve a higher burst off the bat.

 

Exactly, thanks for explaining.

 

@TradeLA: I actually came across that method the same way you did: Back in the old 2.4+ thread that Falver had run, I had seen a top parse by Xintake that showed exactly what you have noticed and protested:

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=7240352#post7240352

 

I was then informed, as you can see in Falver's answer, that it's okay to stack Centering beforehand as long as you start the fight with zero focus. Until I had gotten that answer, I had respecced to Combat before every single parse to gain Centering via Contemplation and then respecced back. That was A LOT of work and I was relieved to see this is ok. Falver had even explained it in his opening post:

9. Prestacking buffs using in-combat related moves is not allowed. However, buffs that can be replicated in an operations setting is permitted. For example, scoundrels respeccing from scrapper to dirty fighting to preload flachette round is permitted.

 

You will see it in most Watchman parses done here. This technique was much more important for Dotsmash than it is now for Watchman, though.

 

On a side note: I actually do that in NiM encounters that have relevant DPS checks from the moment of the pull - much to the dismay of my impatiently waiting fellow raid members, I might add... ;-)

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what ist TK/lightning able to parse? only balance/madness parses on the spreadsheet for sage/sorc

 

On a long sustained fight (the 1.5 mil dummy), TK/Lightning seems to be around 6% behind Balance/Madness, based on parses from The Ebon Hawk leaderboards. So if we extrapolate to the 1 mil, that would put TK/Lightning around 3950 at the top end if people parsed as competitively with it as they now do with Balance/Madness. This isn't an exact comparison, because Balance/Madness is able to use a different spec and rotation on the 1 mil (one which ignores force sustainability) and TK/Lightning gets proportionally more out of its opening burst, but I think it's an "ok enough" estimate.

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Exactly, thanks for explaining.

 

 

You will see it in most Watchman parses done here. This technique was much more important for Dotsmash than it is now for Watchman, though.

 

On a side note: I actually do that in NiM encounters that have relevant DPS checks from the moment of the pull - much to the dismay of my impatiently waiting fellow raid members, I might add... ;-)

 

Thanks for commenting. Could you please answer three other questions? Should I take it from the evenness of your Deadly Saber and Rupture bleeding that you hold Berserk/Zen until you see you have three stacks on Deadly Saber? I notice your latest parse has exactly the same number of attacks of each type as your last parse and you have a little less than the maximum number of Annihilates--when and why do you hit something else first? Why do you hit Bloodthirst/Inspiration in the opener rather than under 30% when VT/Dispatch is available and potential DPS is higher?

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Thanks for commenting. Could you please answer three other questions?

Will gladly do, as I picked up the basics of Combat from a brilliant post of yours on that topic here ages ago :-) So thanks for that and trying to return something:

 

Should I take it from the evenness of your Deadly Saber and Rupture bleeding that you hold Berserk/Zen until you see you have three stacks on Deadly Saber?

 

Actually I don't. I hit Zen right at the very moment I get 30 stacks of Centering, though I know most guides will tell you to do what you suggest. As with most things I do in Watchman I can't really explain why from a theoretical point of view. I just parse a lot and see what works better. I suspect it's because of the 4 piece set bonus which is activated more often like that, as Centering is consumed with every possible DoT and thus gained again faster/more often in total...

 

I notice your latest parse has exactly the same number of attacks of each type as your last parse

 

That's probably purely coincidental.

 

and you have a little less than the maximum number of Annihilates--when and why do you hit something else first?

 

Above 30%: On very rare occasions I will prioritize Rupture over Annihilate, especially if Rupture hasn't procced several times. But in general: Annihilate rules! ;-)

 

Sub 30%: I try to keep Rupture on Cooldown. If I have focus left vor Vicious Throw to reset it, but not enough for

Merciless, I will do Vicious Throw. That's especially when I've done Annihilate, Rupture, Ravage and want to do Annihilate/Vicious Throw - Rupture to follow. If I fear, I may run out of Rage for the last Rupture, I will do Vicious Throw instead of Annihilate.

 

 

Why do you hit Bloodthirst/Inspiration in the opener rather than under 30% when VT/Dispatch is available and potential DPS is higher?

 

That one I can't really explain, it's just a matter of trial again. I just always get my best parses with the first technique. I suppose it's because of prestacking Centering and using up those stacks + Valorous Call early for Zen+Inspiration, which for the whole parse will again mean best useage of potential Centering building and maximum set bonus uptime - which in general seems superior to me, as it boosts all damage...

 

Sorry, I can't provide hard facts on all that stuff, but I hope it helped anyway.

 

Best regards and have fun playing, my fellow veteran lightsaberist ;-)

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Heeeello, I'm not sure how this works but I'll post my parse here anyway and see what comes of it.

I also don't know how you crop or so, so what is my dps? :p:)

 

Massaffliction - Commando - Assault sp. - 02/08/36 - 4m 2.877s (cropped = 4m 3.025s and thus 4118.6 dps)

Parse: http://www.torparse.com/a/717617/12/0/Overview

AMR: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/35b61aff-644c-4291-be2c-4850b8fff1cb

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THoK-Zeus

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Update for Zah'ik:

 

Zah'ik - Sniper - Engineering (4/36/6) - 4574 DPS - 3m 39.131 - Drop it Like it's Hoth

 

Parse: http://www.torparse.com/a/718893/time/1404947579/1404947799/0/Overview

01:12:59.896 Zah'ik enters combat.

01:16:39.027 Zah'ik kills Operations Training Dummy.

 

AMR: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/2c49a567-d136-43e5-8abb-07c8e471b6b3#

(still the same)

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Ardarell_Solo

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Alreegan - Taking the Jawas to Alderaan (T3-M4) - Balance Sage - 3/7/36 - 4'12.720 (DPS Torparse 3972,81)

http://www.torparse.com/a/719431/time/1405080773/1405081026/0/Damage+Dealt

14:12:53.832 Alreegan enters combat.

14:17:06.552 Alreegan kills Operationen-Trainingsdummy.

AMR: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/character/6fb493ee-8cda-41ed-ae2c-4b9a2592e946

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Changed up my rotation. And when I say my rotation, I mean my opener, which is what determines how well someone does in Sabo/Engi. Just found that out :D

 

Cletah - Gunslinger - Saboteur - 7/36/3 - 3m 52.552s - 4301.32 DPS

Guild & Server - Don't Worry Bout It, Begeren Colony

 

Torparse

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08:42:16.133 Cletah enters combat.

08:46:08.683 Cletah kills Operations Training Dummy.

 

Edit: Just looked at the clipped parse again, and the total damage done is slightly above 1 Mil. If we do: 1,000,000/TTK, it comes about to 4300 (Not quite 4300 flat, but the number looks good :))

It is only a 1 point difference so maybe I'm making a bigger deal out of this than need be, but your records book, your rules. Pick which ever number you like.

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