Heroic Missions for Solo Players

[AnnyJuly]

I'm new to this game and MMO in general. I tried some MMO before (Guild Wars 2 and LoTR Online), but lost interest quickly.

I'm fan of KOTOR series and bioware RPG games, so I finally decided to try SWTOR. SWTOR is the only MMO that I play longer than 2 weeks. I like the class story part very much, and majority of the side quests.

 

What I don't like is HEROIC and Flashpoint quests, that contain important for story and lore information (and references to previous games). I'm not able to do them. Before Taris I was doing fine without them (or was able to finish 2+ heroics and 4 when overleveled them enough), but on Taris things went wrong. Almost every quest is HEROIC 4.

I do not want to group because I hate any form of social activity in games and my circumstances do not allow me long uninterrupted game session (I literally can leave my char in the middle of battle and quit).

 

So I suggest to implement the possibility for Solo players to do Heroic quests and Flashpoints like common quests.

For example:

-when I enter Heroic location solo I get buff that allows me to kill Heroic mobs as common (or strong) mobs. If I group with someone - buff is removed;

-reward for solo heroic is reduced;

-I can chose whether I want to go through this quest solo or with group;

-solo playthrough of Heroic mission is allowed only once per character (can't repeat every day);

-when I accept quest I can see what reward I will get for solo and group playthrough.

 

I know that you can do almost all Heroic missions when overleveled them enough, but It's kinda immersion breaking.

[Ratajack]

I'm new to this game and MMO in general. I tried some MMO before (Guild Wars 2 and LoTR Online), but lost interest quickly.

I'm fan of KOTOR series and bioware RPG games, so I finally decided to try SWTOR. SWTOR is the only MMO that I play longer than 2 weeks. I like the class story part very much, and majority of the side quests.

 

What I don't like is HEROIC and Flashpoint quests, that contain important for story and lore information (and references to previous games). I'm not able to do them. Before Taris I was doing fine without them (or was able to finish 2+ heroics and 4 when overleveled them enough), but on Taris things went wrong. Almost every quest is HEROIC 4.

I do not want to group because I hate any form of social activity in games and my circumstances do not allow me long uninterrupted game session (I literally can leave my char in the middle of battle and quit).

 

So I suggest to implement the possibility for Solo players to do Heroic quests and Flashpoints like common quests.

For example:

-when I enter Heroic location solo I get buff that allows me to kill Heroic mobs as common (or strong) mobs. If I group with someone - buff is removed;

-reward for solo heroic is reduced;

-I can chose whether I want to go through this quest solo or with group;

-solo playthrough of Heroic mission is allowed only once per character (can't repeat every day);

-when I accept quest I can see what reward I will get for solo and group playthrough.

 

I know that you can do almost all Heroic missions when overleveled them enough, but It's kinda immersion breaking.

 

 

NO. I hope they NEVER implement this.

 

This game IS an MMO, a MULTI-player game, NOT a solo player game. There may be portions of it that can be solo'd, but it IS a MULTI-player game. If you want to do the heroics, you can either group or wait until you out level them and can solo them.

[Kagekeishu]

@AnnyJuly...

 

I have been doing Taris now more the 10 times - 5 times Imperial and 5 times Republic - and as far as I can tell "NONE" of the normal or the planet Story-Quests are "HEROIC"..! The H-Quest you find are Side-Quest to the Planet-Story and a "can do" but NOT a "must do" thing.!

 

So no reason to modify them for "Solo-Play".!

 

And as it was stated already this is a MMO and not a SP-Game !

 

 

Best regards

[EnkiduNineEight]

I have to echo the others. They cease to be Heroic Quests when you bolster the solo player.

 

Also, for much of your early career you can solo many of the heroic 2+ and Heroic 4's if you play well and use every trick in the book. That makes it truly feel heroic. Its not heroic when you're buffed to a point that they just seem like normal enemies.

[AnnyJuly]

Ah, well, sorry guys, I think just too much into single games.

I guess it was a stupid idea to suggest such feature on mmo forum. My bad

[Slicka]

Ah, well, sorry guys, I think just too much into single games.

I guess it was a stupid idea to suggest such feature on mmo forum. My bad

 

No worries, you aren't the first and most likely won't be the last. As the above posters said, you can solo a lot of heroic 2s now with just your companion, and these quests aren't mandatory, they're just side quests. I don't know the population of your server, but it's quite possible to get a group together if that is what you really want in order to complete these quests. General chat on most planets typically spams "LFG X Heroic". Some of them have great story while others are quickly kill X amount of enemy, turn in quest. In truth, other than completionists and story lovers, these are probably run by those who love said gear drops for the look.

[Benets]

This destroy the purpose of heroic missions, that is socialize with other to acomplish something

Is better end heroics.

 

or just do normal missions.

 

If heroic turn into a mission you can do alone, it isnt heroic anymore, it become normal

[Alphasgimaone]

NO. I hope they NEVER implement this.

This. I have and will continue to put up with a lot of the poor choices and decisions EA has made. But if they ever do something like this, I'm done.

[Alklonth]

or wait until you out level them and can solo them.

 

No. You can never solo them. Once you can, you get 6xp. And this is something very annoying in fact. Being premium I've got easier leveling BUT.

 

If I'm 28 on Nar Shadaa and I can do Heroic 2+ with just my companion, then why the hell I get only 6xp for that? This is something really not refined enough. On one hand you can level higher, on the other heroic mission start to be something not very profitable.

 

And MMO or not, people can have a choice if they want to solo or group. I guess the way it is right now would be quite fair if only xp was counted fairly. Even with much higher level, if you'd get just the experience that was meant for the mission, no one would get hurt. Imagine level 32 getting xp for Tython's heroic. How much it was there? 500? 1000? What does it mean for a level 32 who needs dozens of thousand to get anyway?

 

Oh, and by the way: the same goes for my combat missions. Some of them don't appear anymore (e.g. the first mission was probably Fondor Escort and I don't get it anymore), while the other keep returning on the terminal. I keep getting a mission for level 18 and when I do it, I get 6 xp in return. So why the hell it keeps appearing if it's not for my level?

Edited March 13, 2014 by Alklonth

[Canmore]

NO. I hope they NEVER implement this.

 

This game IS an MMO, a MULTI-player game, NOT a solo player game. There may be portions of it that can be solo'd, but it IS a MULTI-player game. If you want to do the heroics, you can either group or wait until you out level them and can solo them.

 

im with this guy though it pains me deeply that this game is not kotor 3 .

[VanorDM]

No. You can never solo them. Once you can, you get 6xp.

 

Umm which is it? Either you can never do it, or else you can. Just because the reward is low doesn't mean it's not possible to do it...

 

If the issue is the story line and lore, then there's no issue. Just have to wait until you're over leveled enough, because the story doesn't change based on what level you are.

 

If the Heroic stuff was part of a the main planet or class quests then the OP's suggestion might make sense. That's how they do it in LotRO, a number of the main quests were set up as group content when the game was released, so you were forced to group up just to progress though the PvE quest lines. At one point they added a buff that super charges your character so you can solo the group content.

 

But that's not how SWTOR works, there's not a single heroic you have to do as part of the main quest lines, so there's no reason to make them soloable.

[Alklonth]

Umm which is it? Either you can never do it, or else you can. Just because the reward is low doesn't mean it's not possible to do it...

 

But then it is pointless to do it, which equals no need/sense in doing it on normal terms. So in fact it is impossible to do it under the same conditions as in a group. So I can't see any equality in saying "you can do it, just wait until your level is high enough" and not telling the person that he won't get the same xp. Why should anyone do heroic if not for reward?

 

And I don't have anything against groups. However, sometimes it gets quicker to do it solo. And as I don't do any extra stuff along the way to level up, only a regular visits on the planets and missions out there, I still think that someone didn't think enough about it. It just turns out that either there's no sense in doing heroic, or paying for sub.

Edited March 13, 2014 by Alklonth

[VanorDM]

But then it is pointless to do it, which equals no need/sense in doing it on normal terms.

 

Pointless does not mean impossible. It just simply does not work that way. Either something can not be done, or else it can. The reward doesn't change if it's possible or not.

 

Why should anyone do heroic if not for reward?

 

Perhaps you should try reading the OP more closely because there's a reason listed there.

 

... that contain important for story and lore information...

 

so doing it for the sake of the story/lore is one of the reasons why the OP wants to do them solo. The story/lore doesn't change because you're 10 levels above the heroic.

Edited March 13, 2014 by VanorDM

[Elymnion]

I don't like interacting with other players too, that's why I don't play pvp, but Heroics are super fun! i always find a good team and its always fun! Sometimes when there are many heroic 4's I might skip some of them, but generally they are great, even if you don't like multiplaying!

[theUndead]

im with this guy though it pains me deeply that this game is not kotor 3 .

 

This is the spiritual successor to KOTOR 2. But even saying that, why you hear if it pains you so much?

[Canmore]

This is the spiritual successor to KOTOR 2. But even saying that, why you hear if it pains you so much?

 

Friends mate i came here from star wars galaxies with them . and my time spent online in swtor is sadly minimal . its a good mmo/raider but an abomination of a RPG in my opinion

 

i would really love to get engrossed into a virtual star wars world but all i see is nerds engrossed in gear grinds.

[theUndead]

Friends mate i came here from star wars galaxies with them . and my time spent online in swtor is sadly minimal . its a good mmo/raider but an abomination of a RPG in my opinion

 

i would really love to get engrossed into a virtual star wars world but all i see is nerds engrossed in gear grinds.

 

Nice that you take such an insulting tone to a simple question. People who grind for gear are not nerds just players and in my opinion I think you wrong, I think this game does well as RPG. Furthermore you said you wanted a virtual world and that tells me you still want more SWG which this game will not be.

[Canmore]

Nice that you take such an insulting tone to a simple question. People who grind for gear are not nerds just players and in my opinion I think you wrong, I think this game does well as RPG. Furthermore you said you wanted a virtual world and that tells me you still want more SWG which this game will not be.

 

sorry it was nerd in generic sense . ie gotta be a nerd right being into sci-fi and all =p

 

i personally proclaim my geekness and nerdiness on the highest buildings =p

[NakedR]

I'm with Alklonth on this one. There is no logical explanation to why you get less to no exp from doing heroics when outleveling. This has nothing to do with the fact, wheter it's possible to do them or not. The only reason wich crosses my mind is that bioware wants to prevent respectively "punish" the dudes that don't wanna do the heroics in groups. But i think it's total legit if someone likes to do his rp to himself. Those that like the multiplayer aspects have plenty to enjoy anyway, but those used to playing solo-style should get their full programm as well. This is not about "this is mmo if u don't like piss off"!!!! Edited March 14, 2014 by NakedR

[DOHboy]

I'm with Alklonth on this one. There is no logical explanation to why you get less to no exp from doing heroics when outleveling. This has nothing to do with the fact, wheter it's possible to do them or not. The only reason wich crosses my mind is that bioware wants to prevent respectively "punish" the dudes that don't wanna do the heroics in groups. But i think it's total legit if someone likes to do his rp to himself. Those that like the multiplayer aspects have plenty to enjoy anyway, but those used to playing solo-style should get their full programm as well. This is not about "this is mmo if u don't like piss off"!!!!

 

So we should just allow solo OPS as well? They are called HEROIC +4 for a reason, because they are meant to be done in a group. if you don't want to play in a group well then you don't have to do them. I tend to skip heroics when leveling if not soloable (Heroic 2) If you MUST do them and do not want a group, well then you need to be over leveled. Same with Flashpoints, if you don't want to do them at level, you probably best wait until end game, and then solo the story mode.

 

MMOs are called Multi-player for a reason. Other wise whats the point. might as well just released a solo game (yes that is what many people actually wanted). I don't pvp because I can't stand PVP culture, not because I dont' like people. At that point I would choose to play solo, rather than an MP game.

[MrMedve]

I must agree with the topic starter.

 

My reason is that on the server that i am on, the higher lvl planets it is really a pain in the *** to gather a group to do heroics with, feels like nobody wants to do them.

 

Like yeasterday i took me 6 hours to do 4 heroics on balmorra.

 

And i know they are optional but i want to do them and i want the rewards.

[PLynkes]

I can see why this would appeal. It would be a tempting option for me if I wanted to do an heroic but couldn't get a group together, or just wasn't feeling particularly sociable that day (some really, really, hopeless PUGs lately have definitely soured group content for me a bit).

 

Unfortunately I think it would actually exacerbate problems in getting groups together for those that want to. Even as things stand now fairly often the response you get to a LFG shout is "You can solo it." I have a feeling that if they made a solo option for group content then that's all anybody would do. It would be nice to have a solo option but it might kill the group option altogether, leaving us with all-solo content outside of Flashpoints and Ops.

[EnkiduNineEight]

No. You can never solo them. Once you can, you get 6xp. And this is something very annoying in fact. Being premium I've got easier leveling BUT.

 

If I'm 28 on Nar Shadaa and I can do Heroic 2+ with just my companion, then why the hell I get only 6xp for that? This is something really not refined enough. On one hand you can level higher, on the other heroic mission start to be something not very profitable.

 

And MMO or not, people can have a choice if they want to solo or group. I guess the way it is right now would be quite fair if only xp was counted fairly. Even with much higher level, if you'd get just the experience that was meant for the mission, no one would get hurt. Imagine level 32 getting xp for Tython's heroic. How much it was there? 500? 1000? What does it mean for a level 32 who needs dozens of thousand to get anyway?

 

Oh, and by the way: the same goes for my combat missions. Some of them don't appear anymore (e.g. the first mission was probably Fondor Escort and I don't get it anymore), while the other keep returning on the terminal. I keep getting a mission for level 18 and when I do it, I get 6 xp in return. So why the hell it keeps appearing if it's not for my level?

 

I solo them while they are still green quite frequently. Heroic 2, 2+ 4 and 4+ can all be solod but sometimes you have to accept a death or two and use all the tools in your toolbox.

[Riddikuss]

I don't know why most of folks are pressing on that MMORPG are meant to be played in groups, my option is that MMORPG means multiple players playing same game at once but not necessarily grouping together. Many people don't like grouping (including myself), and there is reason for that.

And main reason I think is other players attitude towards you. I'm newbie in this game, was playing my very first char in this game, tried to group up for Flashpoint, sorry guys and gals, but those insulting comments towards me just cut off any desire to group up with somebody anymore, many of us have families and playing this game just now and then, for fan and for story, like reading a book (like me), some of us are spending most of their time in virtual world and have reached different level of play stile (like playing and typing comments at the same time). Yet many of them (I'm not saying most) are feeling very mighty in game and are always willing to insult those who do not not play so good. I think this is the main reason why many people are avoiding grouping. They are afraid they will not match another group members.

Another reason is, family, for example, I might have to able go AFK any time, which would be quite nasty if you're involved in some group activity. IMHO.

[ladylnet]

I only solo I have a slow internet connection so it is great for a 56 year old women I love it. I can go at my pace may be slow but its ok with me