Sideblaze Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Since some people seem to think the spec is totally not broken, Let's see you justify that while we compare you to every other class in the game. As fair as unavoidable autocrits to 4 players are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaplemouton Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Since some people seem to think the spec is totally not broken, Let's see you justify that while we compare you to every other class in the game. As fair as unavoidable autocrits to 4 players are. That's like asking to start another QQ posting frenzy about how Operative/Scoundrel are so god damn OP and everything in their spellbook is as OP... more OP then a smash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savej Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 The burden of proof is on the accuser. Make a case for how/why smash is overpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technohic Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I'm sure we will get some new and original posts in here that none of us have seen before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znihilist Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 rDPS clustering & turtle teams. You turn now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaplemouton Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 rDPS clustering & turtle teams. You turn now! Double tank + double healer in arenas! Who says better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I'm sure we will get some new and original posts in here that none of us have seen before... It also includes key phrases like derp, monkey and ezmode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanas Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Why the hell would you create a new topic on this? You just got owned by one and had to run here to QQ about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideblaze Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) Why the hell would you create a new topic on this? You just got owned by one and had to run here to QQ about it? Not really, i kill them frequently if they aren't being healed, but they get me down to low health with one button, and it's annoying. I want to see the monkeys justify why they deserve to get the mini-nuke. Edited October 11, 2013 by Sideblaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOULCASTER Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 SOMEONE has to take down that overpowered operative healer with a guard! ...when in doubt, smash it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Not really, i kill them frequently if they aren't being healed, but they get me down to low health with one button, and it's annoying. I want to see the monkeys justify why they deserve to get the mini-nuke. Low health with 1-button? How much health do you typically run 15k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sithBracer Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Low health with 1-button? How much health do you typically run 15k? He might be a victim of the double stacking relic bug? How much would an autocrit smash take in that case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideblaze Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 Low health with 1-button? How much health do you typically run 15k? Standard smash does at least 8k. My health is 30k. 30k-8k = 22k, Assuming he opened on me with smash, So in one attack i lost a about a third of my total health, This puts me at half, which is "Danger level" or low when fighting against good focus groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanas Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Not really, i kill them frequently if they aren't being healed, but they get me down to low health with one button, and it's annoying. I want to see the monkeys justify why they deserve to get the mini-nuke. 1 button? That would be 1 normal smash... What is that? 2k damage(non-crit)? You have 3k HP now? Even assuming you meant a full on smash with singularity stacks the damage is around 8-9k... If you are GEARED you sit around 30k hp. Going from 30k hp to 22-21k hp is not low health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snaplemouton Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Standard smash does at least 8k. My health is 30k. 30k-8k = 22k, Assuming he opened on me with smash, So in one attack i lost a about a third of my total health, This puts me at half, which is "Danger level" or low when fighting against good focus groups. Demo round can hit for 10-11k. Master strike last hit can hit for 10-11k. Tons of abilities can hit for 8k+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Standard smash does at least 8k. My health is 30k. 30k-8k = 22k, Assuming he opened on me with smash, So in one attack i lost a about a third of my total health, This puts me at half, which is "Danger level" or low when fighting against good focus groups. 8k hit, 1/3 health, 22k left, half health...got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DresG Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Master strike last hit can hit for 10-11k Lolwat The problem is not really the dmg, its the fact that its aoe and the spec is very easy to play (also easier to counter but ppl like to qq about it anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideblaze Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 Demo round can hit for 10-11k. Master strike last hit can hit for 10-11k. Tons of abilities can hit for 8k+. If they crit, and those have 8-12 sec cooldowns. and are single target only. Smash auto crits. Is unavoidable if the smasher knows when to charge/obliterate, Can hit 4 other people, and if multiple smashers are involved can absolutely nuke entire swaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Lolwat The problem is not really the dmg, its the fact that its aoe and the spec is very easy to play (also easier to counter but ppl like to qq about it anyway) A full ravage/MS can top 10k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideblaze Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) A full ravage/MS can top 10k. A full ravage doesn't auto crit, A full ravage isn't instant. a full ravage is easy to interrupt. you can escape a full ravage. And ********, Ravage isn't doing 10k without gore AND crits. Which is carnage spec, which is perfectly fine as that spec for marries takes more than a single brain cell to play. Edited October 11, 2013 by Sideblaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunayson Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 A full ravage doesn't auto crit, A full ravage isn't instant. a full ravage is easy to interrupt. you can escape a full ravage. And ********, Ravage isn't doing 10k without gore AND crits. Which is carnage spec, which is perfectly fine as that class takes more than a single brain cell to play.. a crit ravage easily does 10k ? With gore, it does like 14k? Immolate hits for 8k now. Flame thrower 5k. And that's times 4, to an unlimited number of targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideblaze Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) a crit ravage easily does 10k ? With gore, it does like 14k? Immolate hits for 8k now. Flame thrower 5k. And that's times 4, to an unlimited number of targets. A crit ravage will reach 14k, assuming the first two or the last blow crit, no cooldowns are popped and assuming they aren't healed inbetween the second strike and the last, and assuming you don't miss or get interrupted, or assuming the victim doesn't find a way out of it. Immolate has a fixed cooldown, doesn't autocrit, ignores armor completely, and doesn't hit 5 people at once. Flamethrower, again, is channeled and can be stunned/knocked(Assuming no hydraulics), Takes time to tick, has at least 3gcds of setup time so can be healed through easily, and again, doesn't autocrit.. Edited October 11, 2013 by Sideblaze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NogueiraA Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Let's put other things on the board? Try to justify Sniper/GS, all their dcd's + interrupt/push back immunity. Now compare this ranged class with the other 2 ranged classes, sorc and merc are completely garbage. Do you know that Agent/Smuggler has the shortest cooldown on 4sec stun? All other classes is 1min cd, can be talented to 50sec. Agent/Smuggler is 45sec cd, can be talented to 30sec cd. JUSTIFY IT, WHY A SNIPER HAS A 30sec CD ON 4sec STUN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycao Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 So we have well established that smash is an auto crit, is instant and an AoE. Is there anything else you would like to bring to this discussion like perhaps what class you play so maybe we can throw some ideas at you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthOvertone Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) Not really, i kill them frequently if they aren't being healed, but they get me down to low health with one button, and it's annoying. Even if BW nerfed the auto-crit on Smash, it could still potentially damage you in the way you noted above. Even if BW nerfed the aoe capability of Smash and made it a single-target skill, it could still potentially damage you in the way you describe above. Even if BW nerfed the damage output by 10% (which would be a pretty extreme nerf), Smash could still potentially damage you in the way you listed above. Even if BW nerfed Smash in all of the 3 ways I just listed combined (which would be insane), you could still be reduced to low health with one button. Point being...this is just a troll thread by someone with an unjustifiable prejudice toward Smashers who died in a PvP zone. Edited October 11, 2013 by DarthOvertone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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