Mallace Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Why wouldn't you announce this type of news sooner? Why are you giving recent purchases of the expansion an added bonus of CC's while previous subscribers get just a title (which by comparison has no monetary value)? I hope you know you have angered entire guilds into possibly quitting this game for the lack of support for long time subscribers. The game still has too many common bugs that should be fixed before pouring resources into game events and giving away free stuff. Goodbye SWTOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrea Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Agree, I already stopped buying cartel coins because of all the focus on ftp players. Now I don't really see much point in subscribing at all. Most everything that can be bought with my monthly cartel coins in in the GTN anyway, and spending the coins I have left should open up all the sup perks. If EABW just wants to cater to people with more money then sense, I really don't see a point in giving them any of my cash. You guys should have just put out the Free ROTHC announcement months ago and not giving anyone anything. Getting screwed over by your favorite MMO's Devs is nothing new, but when others are being rewarded at the same time is a bad call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderMid Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Less than a week notice is pretty terrible. Was this even hinted at or just from out of the blue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsKNives Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 We definitely needed another thread on this so that people could rehash all of the same arguments again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTHC Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Why wouldn't you announce this type of news sooner? Why are you giving recent purchases of the expansion an added bonus of CC's while previous subscribers get just a title (which by comparison has no monetary value)? I hope you know you have angered entire guilds into possibly quitting this game for the lack of support for long time subscribers. The game still has too many common bugs that should be fixed before pouring resources into game events and giving away free stuff. Goodbye SWTOR. Because then people who would have spent $10 between whenever they "could have" announced it and when they did, would not have spent that $10. Less revenue for EA. Simple, right? Also, http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=679027 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statiq Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Less than a week notice is pretty terrible. Was this even hinted at or just from out of the blue? I predict the classic "blah blah, my bad, blah blah, soon blah blah, LOOK! SQUIRREL!" response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicKat Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Because then people who would have spent $10 between whenever they "could have" announced it and when they did, would not have spent that $10. Less revenue for EA. Simple, right? Also, http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=679027 I suspect it has more to do with being an emergency bone thrown to subscribers over the Dye-cost uproar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuixupu Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 (edited) I suspect it has more to do with being an emergency bone thrown to subscribers over the Dye-cost uproar. If that was their intention, it backfired horribly. If they wanted to throw a bone to subscribers over the dyes, they'd give subscribers a discount on the dyes or something. Or just give subscribers another blanket CC bonus. But I doubt this has anything to do with the dyes. In any case, whoever has been coming up with these ideas is a bit out of touch with the community. Edited September 11, 2013 by chuixupu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicKat Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 If that was their intention, it backfired horribly. If they wanted to throw a bone to subscribers over the dyes, they'd give subscribers a discount on the dyes or something. Or just give subscribers another blanket CC bonus. But I doubt this has anything to do with the dyes. In any case, whoever has been coming up with these ideas is a bit out of touch with the community. Everything they try to do to appease subscribers backfires because they do the equivalent of peeing on you and then "fixing" it by giving you an umbrella. They haven't figured out yet that subscribers would just rather not be peed on in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOuroborus Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 As a subber, can I just get a refund?* *Before you flame, it's a rhetorical question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnduane Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I pay for multiple accounts, and NONE of them is buying another Cartel Coin until this is rectified. All of the people playing that I pay for can earn credits via dailies and don't need anything from the Cartel Market anyway. Nice job of pissing on long -time subscribers. You will gain people who sub for a month then go back to Preferred. You will lose substantially on long-time supporters of this game. The person that thought this was a good idea is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedip_enguin Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 (edited) Why wouldn't you announce this type of news sooner? Why are you giving recent purchases of the expansion an added bonus of CC's while previous subscribers get just a title (which by comparison has no monetary value)? I hope you know you have angered entire guilds into possibly quitting this game for the lack of support for long time subscribers. The game still has too many common bugs that should be fixed before pouring resources into game events and giving away free stuff. Goodbye SWTOR. Emphasis mine. They are NOT getting bonus CC's, stop parroting this nonsense. They are getting the approximate value of expansion back in CC's to cover the fact that they bought the expansion very shortly before it was made available for free. Which under certain consumer rights laws would possibly have entitled them to a refund within a 30 days period. BW made the move to enable them to keep the cash from sales within the last month without having to worry about dealing with a bunch of refund requests. That they phrased this detail attrociously in the announcement and the fact that a lot of people on here have raging entitlement issues/persecution complexes has no baring on the fact that is was done out of combination of economic pragmatism and legal necessity. Edited September 11, 2013 by jedip_enguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GatorAndy Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 (edited) I pay for multiple accounts, and NONE of them is buying another Cartel Coin until this is rectified. All of the people playing that I pay for can earn credits via dailies and don't need anything from the Cartel Market anyway. Nice job of pissing on long -time subscribers. You will gain people who sub for a month then go back to Preferred. You will lose substantially on long-time supporters of this game. The person that thought this was a good idea is an idiot. You're mad because something you bought months ago is now free? And to the OP: this needed ANOTHER thread why exactly? Edited September 11, 2013 by GatorAndy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yndras Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I suspect it has more to do with being an emergency bone thrown to subscribers over the Dye-cost uproar. Most people don't even care about this. If its too expensive, people wont buy it. Unless your having an anal transplant about it like most of the community seems to now days. OMG your changing the colours on the welcome screen! I quit, you have screwed me for the last time bioware! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laris_Rai Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Less than a week notice is pretty terrible. Was this even hinted at or just from out of the blue? Uh, to prevent a horde of people buying the expansion and then getting that AND the CCs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderMid Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Uh, to prevent a horde of people buying the expansion and then getting that AND the CCs? I don't know about that. BW has the numbers and knows the reason why they are releasing it for free to subs. If I had to put money on why they are doing it, it would be for 2 reasons. 1. To try to get new subs. 2. New expansion purchases have dwindled significantly, which was a given to happen at some point. Well there is a 3rd reason as well, a new expansion is on the not too distant horizon. I expect RotHC to be completely given away for free before the next expansion, including f2p but I find it a little shady to not give a little more notice before doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Nice job of pissing on long -time subscribers. You will gain people who sub for a month then go back to Preferred. You will lose substantially on long-time supporters of this game. Wait.. what? Did you not get your umbrella? CK clearly said that you would be getting an umbrella to go with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 OMG your changing the colours on the welcome screen! I quit, you have screwed me for the last time bioware! Excellent role play Yndras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 (edited) BW made the move to enable them to keep the cash from sales within the last month without having to worry about dealing with a bunch of refund requests. That they phrased this detail attrociously in the announcement and the fact that a lot of people on here have raging entitlement issues/persecution complexes has no baring on the fact that is was done out of combination of economic pragmatism and legal necessity. /Agree. Considering the range of jurisdictions they sell in.. and the fact that this sort of thing is required by law in some of those jurisdictions... yep. Fact: late buyers can still request a refund if they want, where permitted by law. The CC awards simply incents them to not do so. The choice remains firmly in the hands of the buyer. Where is the common sense in this forum? I know it's around here somewhere. Edited September 11, 2013 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedip_enguin Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 /Agree. Considering the range of jurisdictions they sell in.. and the fact that this sort of thing is required by law in some of those jurisdictions... yep. Fact: late buyers can still request a refund if they want, where permitted by law. The CC awards simply incents them to not do so. The choice remains firmly in the hands of the buyer. Where is the common sense in this forum? I know it's around here somewhere. Shhh, dont be agreeing with me in public, they'll figure out that I'm working for Bioware too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicKat Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Shhh, dont be agreeing with me in public, they'll figure out that I'm working for Bioware too Sorry. Your posts must each contain at least 3 condescending insults to qualify for that distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallace Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) jedip_enguin;6745398]Emphasis mine. They are NOT getting bonus CC's, stop parroting this nonsense. No, it is bonus CC's: "Finally, Subscribers who purchase Rise of the Hutt Cartel between August 11, 2013 and September 12, 2013 at 9:00AM PDT / 4:00PM GMT will be granted 1050 Bonus Cartel Coins in appreciation for their recent purchase of Rise of the Hutt Cartel. The 1050 Bonus Cartel Coins will be granted by September 13, 2013 at 9:00AM PDT / 4:00PM GMT." http://www.swtor.com/info/news/news-article/20130910 Edited September 12, 2013 by Mallace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTHC Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) Nice job of pissing on long -time subscribers... Rain. That's rain. Trust me. Never mind the greenish-yellow tint to it or the fact that asparagus was served in the EA executive dining room today. It's rain. Really. Rain. Edited September 12, 2013 by DarthTHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedip_enguin Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 (edited) Emphasis mine. They are NOT getting bonus CC's, stop parroting this nonsense. No, it is bonus CC's: "Finally, Subscribers who purchase Rise of the Hutt Cartel between August 11, 2013 and September 12, 2013 at 9:00AM PDT / 4:00PM GMT will be granted 1050 Bonus Cartel Coins in appreciation for their recent purchase of Rise of the Hutt Cartel. The 1050 Bonus Cartel Coins will be granted by September 13, 2013 at 9:00AM PDT / 4:00PM GMT." http://www.swtor.com/info/news/news-article/20130910 Well done on selectively quoting the opening line of my post while ignoring the rest of it. As I mentioned the press release is appallingly poorly worded. It's almost like the PR department wanted to piss people off. This is a 'store credit' refund to encourage people not to ask for cash refunds, nothing more. If they had phrased it as such, they could have saved themselves a heap of trouble, but them's the breaks. Edited September 12, 2013 by jedip_enguin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Entire guilds? Yea.....I'm not buying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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