Sturjus Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 After 2.3 and the fix to proc damage relics, are the Cerulean Nova relics better than the Boundless Ages? So BiS would be Kell Dragon CN/ Kell Dragon SA? or Kell Dragon SA/ Kell Dragon BA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dearthstone Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 In order for the higher dmg proc relics to be more effective than the lower dmg proc ones you need some sort of armor pen as well as having the armor debuff. So arsenal/smash/deception/carnage etc should use Cerulean nova or kinetic tempest. A dark radiance or elemental trans could be better for a sniper but bioware has them BOTH dealing force dmg for some inexplicable reason. Short answer: Snipers do not have a suitable dmg proc relic so SA/BA is our best (and only) option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJNJ Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I'd personally go BA for MM. Being a pew pew spec means less hits to proc the damage, so it's less effective then for the other specs right? Just my rationale/no math behind that Definitely go with the internal tech one if you do go damage proc, we don't get enough armor pen for the K/E version to do more damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJNJ Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 In order for the higher dmg proc relics to be more effective than the lower dmg proc ones you need some sort of armor pen as well as having the armor debuff. So arsenal/smash/deception/carnage etc should use Cerulean nova or kinetic tempest. A dark radiance or elemental trans could be better for a sniper but bioware has them BOTH dealing force dmg for some inexplicable reason. Short answer: Snipers do not have a suitable dmg proc relic so SA/BA is our best (and only) option. They don't both do force, the internal one is a typo which can be seen on the arkanian(spelling) and Kell dragon versions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterJacer Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 The theorycrafters have told us SA/CN is the best combo. CJNJ's "math" though seems reasonable. Where is KBN when you need him? /summon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svii Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I'd personally go BA for MM. Being a pew pew spec means less hits to proc the damage, so it's less effective then for the other specs right? Just my rationale/no math behind that I agree with this, my parses support that DoT specs can double the DPS on 4.5 sec proc relics, because of MM's slow hits per second. This is why I'm thinking about switching to double BA's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Boson Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 (edited) No certain anwser for that question, at least not as certain as power proc > power click (because they are both power). Therer are too many factors here (combat length, movement during fight, dmg-stop phases, your individual DPS). In general the higher your DPS, the better both power relics. Because DPS of dmg proc only depends on hit-frequency, not on power to DPS conversion ratio. Try this web calculator here. MM´s hit-frequency is round 1.2 hits/sec on dummy. Combat length is preset at 4.5 mins where u can just finish use power click three times. In that case u have max DPS from power click relic. Minimum is for example 2 clicks withhin 4 mins. Edited August 21, 2013 by X-Boson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurugu Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 In order for the higher dmg proc relics to be more effective than the lower dmg proc ones you need some sort of armor pen as well as having the armor debuff. So arsenal/smash/deception/carnage etc should use Cerulean nova or kinetic tempest. A dark radiance or elemental trans could be better for a sniper but bioware has them BOTH dealing force dmg for some inexplicable reason. Short answer: Snipers do not have a suitable dmg proc relic so SA/BA is our best (and only) option. They don't both do force, the internal one is a typo which can be seen on the arkanian(spelling) and Kell dragon versions Do we have confirmation that this is indeed a typo in the tooltip and one of them (which one?) is in fact doing tech damage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaceen Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 (edited) Do we have confirmation that this is indeed a typo in the tooltip and one of them (which one?) is in fact doing tech damage? it has been confirmed that it was a typo, however one of the community members just said "the tooltip issue is on our radar" that said, the energy/kinetic swapped places from dread guard (energy going from force to tech, kinetic going from tech to force), so it's not a stretch to assume elemental/internal did too. in the arkanian teir, the elemental transcendence states that it is elemental tech damage every other interal/elemental relic from arkanian to kell dragon (even the internal arkanian) state that they do force damage so it is either: the underworld and kell dragon elemental relic have the wrong tooltip the underworld and kell dragon elemental relic have the wrong damage type (or a combination of the above two possibilities) every internal relic and the arkanian elemental relic are mislabeled every internal relic and the arkanian elemental relic do the wrong damage (or a combination of the above two possibilities) i don't think that anyone has been able to say definitively yet which one is correct (but i can fairly confidently say that the arkanian elemental relic is tech), but the new tier of proc relics have primary stat, crit, or power, and activate on healing or damage, so i'm betting that they are shying away from this for more general-purpose relics that aren't so broken and confusing. Edited September 2, 2013 by oaceen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 (edited) Wait wait wait... 1. Cerulean Nova? Isn't that only good for classes with ~15 (or is that 30%) armor penetration? Like Arsenal Mercs, Rage Juggs (etc)? 2. The "default" for me would be BA/SA. 3. I'm curious if anyone can come up with parses/numbers/proof for BA/BA... 4. How about KD SA/UW SA? If you spec 1 point into self-heal while in cover, it can proc one after the other. 5. KD SA/Conq SA with self-heal while in cover can proc it one after the other or at the same time (tested myself with UW SA and Conq SA. I agree with the BA/SA (2 posts) above. Too much factors like stop-phases, duration of fight. I think when choosing between BA and SA (unless you are getting both) is just personal preference. Edited September 3, 2013 by paowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svii Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 The 4.5 sec proc dmg relics looks great on single target/dummy, but once you have adds/AoE phases the SA should be better. Reason is AFAIK the dmg proc relics only affect one target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurugu Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 (edited) i don't think that anyone has been able to say definitively yet which one is correct (but i can fairly confidently say that the arkanian elemental relic is tech), All right, I have finally gotten around to try and put some data to the speculation. Since I could not make up my mind which relic to get the Underworld token was still lying around in my inventory which allowed me to borrow both and molest the operations dummy for 30 minutes with each. And to get a better reference point I also did the same with the Arkanian Relic of Elemental Transcendence. The results: Underworld Relic of Dark Radiance: 7.21% crit Underworld Relic of Elemental Transcendence: 10.31% crit Arkanian Relic of Elemental Transcendence: 17.98% crit [For reference: My character sheet tech crit chance is 23.12%, and according to the formula used my Force crit chance should be 11.48%.] Now the sample size was not that large (about 220 procs in each run) but the results to me seem significant enough to strongly indicate that indeed both Underworld Relics are Force damage. Edited September 22, 2013 by Jurugu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyStrong Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) I need some advice on relics. I'm looking to do long-term consistent Dmg. (operation bosses and stuff like that). Currently I have 2 PVP relics that combine provide 290 power and 122 endurance (after augmentation). I was wondering what your guys thoughts were on what kind of relics I should be going for. I was going to seek out the Matrix Cube but after some reading on the forum, it's my understanding that its completely non-viable now even after augmentation. I was thinking about keeping one of my PVP relics and trying to grab a UW relic that gives your attack a 30% chance boost you to 550 power for 6 seconds with 20 sec cooldown (cant remember what it's called). All advice is appreciated Edited September 23, 2013 by GalaxyStrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svii Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Boundless Ages and Serendipitous Assault are BiS. Boundless Ages is great because you can time it to burn phases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 boundless ages and serendipitous assault are bis. Boundless ages is great because you can time it to burn phases. ^ . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyStrong Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Boundless Ages and Serendipitous Assault are BiS. Boundless Ages is great because you can time it to burn phases. Ok, I forgot to mention I have biochem as a skill and can use adrenals for burn phases. The adrenals only work for 15 sec's instead of 30 but they generally get the job done so, with that said do you still stand by what you said before or maybe something different. Sorry I should of mentioned that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svii Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Ok, I forgot to mention I have biochem as a skill and can use adrenals for burn phases. The adrenals only work for 15 sec's instead of 30 but they generally get the job done so, with that said do you still stand by what you said before or maybe something different. Sorry I should of mentioned that before. Simply, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyStrong Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Simply, yes Ok, I dropped both my PVP relics and now have Underworld Relic of Boundless Ages & Underworld Relic of the Cerulean Nova. The DPS loss (on my character stats table) while small was a little unnerving but I'm sure if I use a parsing system it will prove this was a good recommendation by Svii. So long old PVP relics, you servered me well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svii Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Cerulean Nova works, but better for dot specs. MM gains (very slightly) more from Serendipitous Assault (this is in my opinion/feeling), then again.. the difference is nothing you'll notice in a real fight since skill > gear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedderx Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Not sure if anyone else noticed, but the double SA's are stacking again. IE Partisan/Arkanian... Anyone else notice this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yindaka Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Not sure if anyone else noticed, but the double SA's are stacking again. IE Partisan/Arkanian... Anyone else notice this? Just tested this with conquerer/underworld one, they do not stack. They can activate both but they do not stack. So if they both proc, one is wasted. Edited October 8, 2013 by yindaka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paowee Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Just tested this with conquerer/underworld one, they do not stack. They can activate both but they do not stack. So if they both proc, one is wasted. Can you explain? I am wearing UW SA and Partisan SA and i see two Power Surge buffs pop out every 20 seconds. This is my definition of "stack" haha. Maybe that is what's causing the confusion. (?_?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yindaka Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) Can you explain? I am wearing UW SA and Partisan SA and i see two Power Surge buffs pop out every 20 seconds. This is my definition of "stack" haha. Maybe that is what's causing the confusion. (?_?) I'm sorry, just tried it again and they do stack, must have missed it in the few seconds window. So I retract above statement and confirm they stack. Edited October 8, 2013 by yindaka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qilith Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 SO Twice proc relics (PVE & PVP) are the ultimate combo ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedderx Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 So we know the icon is flashing for the double stack, however do we know its applying the effect twice? IE extra 900 power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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