Nazo-the-demon Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Guys I understand Darth Vader being powerful in Star wars but this is about the characters in Swtor itself, and Vader isn't born for a long time. Edited October 3, 2015 by Nazo-the-demon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeneas_Falco Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) No... on Ziost JK said that he killed Voice of the Emperor... used that words ( looks like BW was not sure what to do with Emperor and JK story for the long time ). Voice is not as strong as Emperor himself... is much weaker maybe because simple human body cant handle so much power ( just like Kallig had this problems ) or just channeling his will into diffirent body is taking out a lot of his power ( Real Emperor will be a Raid Boss ). Sith Warrior defeated Voice that was boosted by Sel-Makor.... so how JK can be stronger than him ? Well... JK was fighting more connected Voice ( aka True Voice ). So what Voice was stronger ? That is rich question - strong enough for new thread hahaha. The Jedi Knight did kill the Voice of the Emperor, in that the Voice is the only one that actually dies. The Emperor survives his host body being killed, though can apparently be 'wounded' by the process, as indicated by Darth Marr's Yavin dialogue. There is no indication however that the Emperor loses any of his power when possessing a host body, it's just a trick that enables him to respawn if he's defeated or his host body is dying a natural death. Edited October 4, 2015 by Aeneas_Falco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimmerstil Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) There is no indication however that the Emperor loses any of his power when possessing a host body, it's just a trick that enables him to respawn if he's defeated or his host body is dying a natural death. There is actually ... the strength of his hosts connection to the Force is determined by organisms that live in the hosts cells, called midi-chlorians. Edited October 4, 2015 by nimmerstil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Sullster- Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 midi-chlorians. Ewwww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeneas_Falco Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 There is actually ... the strength of his hosts connection to the Force is determined by organisms that live in the hosts cells, called midi-chlorians. Lets just pretend they don't exist. I'm not sure they'd make a difference even if we consider midcholrians (I'd rather not!), because the Voice is effectively being controlled by a force ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyltran Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) There is actually ... the strength of his hosts connection to the Force is determined by organisms that live in the hosts cells, called midi-chlorians. It's been a fact of the EU for a long time that there are ways to aid someone's ability to use the force without it having anything to do with their own potential. Force Spirits can add their power to the host. This is also shown when Exar Kun possesses kip it's described as a combination of his power and the spirit itself. Spirits are capable of things living bodies aren't while also losing certain aspects by the virtue of being a spirit. It's safe to say without living flesh a spirit is always weaker than a physical flesh and blood body which is why people overrate Nox and his spirits. As a manifestation of the force they can draw large quantities of power on a nexus and do things no mortal can but when used it.. they lose a lot of their power. Lord Kallig is a good example of this as he admits he doesn't have the same power as he used against you when you first encounter him and that he's been growing weaker. Edited October 4, 2015 by Rhyltran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimmerstil Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Lets just pretend they don't exist. I'm not sure they'd make a difference even if we consider midcholrians (I'd rather not!), because the Voice is effectively being controlled by a force ghost. Ghosts are immaterial and don't bring any of these little organisms. They could have a nice arsenal of rituals and force tricks, ie, all the experience of the host and the guest combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimmerstil Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Force Spirits can add their power to the host. Then I suggest you tell Lucas that his midi-chlorians are nonsense because it contradicts the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nefertuss Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Then I suggest you tell Lucas that his midi-chlorians are nonsense because it contradicts the EU. Midi-chlorians are nothing short of the living force itself, so it stands to reason that the M-C density in force ghosts and sith spectres would be considerable, unprecedented even. Edited October 5, 2015 by Nefertuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyltran Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Then I suggest you tell Lucas that his midi-chlorians are nonsense because it contradicts the EU. "Midi-chlorians were intelligent microscopic life forms that lived symbiotically inside the cells of all living things. When present in sufficient numbers, they could allow their host to detect the pervasive energy field known as the Force." The reason people are able to use the force according to star wars is that the midichlorians act as a bridge that allows people to detect the pervasive energy field around them. This enables the person to reach out and effect it with their minds. The midichlorians themselves aren't what people channel but act as an enabler. A force spirit is composed OF the force. They don't need midichlorians because they're already an aspect of the force to begin with. In fact non-force sensitives have been possessed by spirits and the host has been able to use abilities (albeit in a limited fashion) through their own link to the force. Essentially in these cases the force ghost is acting as the bridge. In a sense the ghost is playing the role midichlorians would. Midi-chlorians are nothing short of the living force itself, so it stands to reason that the M-C density in force ghosts and sith spectres would be considerable, unprecedented even. This isn't quite right either. Midichlorians are living things that are found within cells. A force ghost wouldn't have any as they don't have cells and there's nothing living inside of them but as mentioned they are very close to the force so they have no need of midichlorians. Edited October 5, 2015 by Rhyltran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimmerstil Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Midi-chlorians are nothing short of the living force itself, so it stands to reason that the M-C density in force ghosts and sith spectres would be considerable, unprecedented even.According to the Wookieepedia article "Midi-chlorians were intelligent microscopic life forms that lived symbiotically inside the cells of all living things". Ghosts typically are not "living things", nor do they have cells capable of hosting other organisms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimmerstil Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 A force spirit is composed OF the force. They don't need midichlorians because they're already an aspect of the force to begin with. In fact non-force sensitives have been possessed by spirits and the host has been able to use abilities (albeit in a limited fashion) through their own link to the force.The force user absorbing the ghost would have access to it's abilties, it's skills, through his own midi-chlorians. Essentially in these cases the force ghost is acting as the bridge. In a sense the ghost is playing the role midichlorians would.The ghost is not acting as a bridge, the users midi-chlorians are bridging the user to the ghost. Midichlorians are what connects the user to the Force, they determine the users potential in the Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyltran Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 The force user absorbing the ghost would have access to it's abilties, it's skills, through his own midi-chlorians. The ghost is not acting as a bridge, the users midi-chlorians are bridging the user to the ghost. Midichlorians are what connects the user to the Force, they determine the users potential in the Force. Then explain how a bodiless ghost can still use force abilities? Lord Kallig, as a spirit, trashes the Inquisitor. This isn't the only time things like this happened in star wars lore. These spirits don't have midichlorians but can still materialize and fight back. As I mentioned, midichlorians do not give people the ability to use the force but instead act as a conduit between them and the all-encompassing energy field. A force spirit is made entirely of force energy. They don't need a conduit. It is true, however, that the more powerful the host the stronger the spirit and that is because with a body the user can draw on more energy. A ghost can still take a weak host and use some minor abilities. They won't have the oomph a powerful force user would. This is because of the midichlorians and the fact that the body can handle/channel more because of it's connection with the living force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimmerstil Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 (edited) Then explain how a bodiless ghost can still use force abilities? Lord Kallig, as a spirit, trashes the Inquisitor. This isn't the only time things like this happened in star wars lore. These spirits don't have midichlorians but can still materialize and fight back. They exist entirely in and are 'made' from the Force As I mentioned, midichlorians do not give people the ability to use the force but instead act as a conduit between them and the all-encompassing energy field.And the conduit determines if and how strongly host is connected to the Force and able to use it. A force spirit is made entirely of force energy. They don't need a conduit.But the host does need the conduit. I could imagine the presence of the ghost influencing the Force in a way that the host has more of it available for use and/or the ghost's presence improving the effectiveness of their host's 'conduit'. That could 'explain' how eating ghosts appears to give the host more power. Edited October 6, 2015 by nimmerstil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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