Abmong Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 someone give this person a big dose of common sense will ya? I was being melodramatic about the "it being illegal" part. But in all honesty I do believe its unfair trading practice. I have no problem with F2P its the way they're doing it that annoys the hell outta me. Why cant they just put a fix price per dye colour and let us know exactly what we're paying for, instead of this random ****. For that does is piss people off. sure they'll make some money in the short term but people will disappear sooner rather than later for better alternatives if they keep alienating the community in underhanded ways. it feels like... They give with one hand and take away with the other, then kick you in the nuts before its done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shikyo Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 The system was designed around making them more money off of the Cartel, not adding a QOL feature for us. Think about it: Aside from the Black/Black, what other one is extremely useful and ideal for your characters? Red/black, blue/black, ETC...... Hmm pretty sure People want those reversed, are they in the game anywhere? So...we spend and spend in hopes of getting a color combo we actually can use AND it's a negative. GTN is our best option, but again I defer you to the fact that the color combos that would actually give the customized appearance people want (Black-insert color, Brown-insert color, etc) are nowhere to be found. "Just wait until our NEXT dye cartel pack! It will have ONE of those you want! But we wont tell you which one that is! You must gamble to find out!" Seriously, way to take something people were looking forward to, would spend money on, and let a good number of us down BioWare. I do want to add a spot of praise to this negative post of mine, not to BioWare, but to those players that did spend the money on the dye packs to tell us what all was in them, and post them for us to see what they'd look in our gear so that I didn't have to spend a dime of RL money or in game currency. I greatly appreicate you guys taking one for the team. I'm not being sarcastic either, I really mean it. So far, Black/Black and Black/Purple have been the only ones SOMEWHAT appealing to me but not enough to spend any cartel coins on them or even pay the GTN Selling price which has fallen to about 2 mil on my server. Something like the design Kiosk for Character Customization would been for more useful and QOL then what we got. That way you could have a whole slew of colors, let them put them together into a dye kit on the kiosk, then pay cartel coins for the kiosk to make it. BOOM! You get your greedy hands on some more cartel coins while we get something actually useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) So far, Black/Black and Black/Purple have been the only ones SOMEWHAT appealing to me but not enough to spend any cartel coins on them or even pay the GTN Selling price which has fallen to about 2 mil on my server. That is your opinion. Personally I find White/Light-Orange, Deep-Blue/Light-Brown, Red/White. Medium-Gray/Deep-Green to be great and very flexible with many armor sets. Deep-Orange/Dark-Red is also good, but with more limited armor sets. I use all of these regularly and they are not only fine IMO, they are very inexpensive. As DarthTHC stated earlier.. there are some great dyes (at modest prices on the GTN), some good, and some that are terrible. I ignore the terrible ones. As for Black/Black and Black/Purple... they are frankly poor use on many armor sets because they are in stark contrast to the fixed 3rd color textures. The Deep-Blue/Black crafter dye is superior to both IMO, and a fraction of the cost... but still not the best dye choice for a lot of gear. Edited May 27, 2013 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shikyo Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 That is your opinion. Personally I find White/Light-Orange, Deep-Blue/Light-Brown, Red/White. Medium-Gray/Deep-Green to be great and very flexible with many armor sets. Deep-Orange/Dark-Red is also good, but with more limited armor sets. I use all of these regularly and they are not only fine IMO, they are very inexpensive. As DarthTHC stated earlier.. there are some great dyes (at modest prices on the GTN), some good, and some that are terrible. I ignore the terrible ones. As for Black/Black and Black/Purple... they are frankly poor use on many armor sets because they are in stark contrast to the fixed 3rd color textures. The Deep-Blue/Black crafter dye is superior to both IMO, and a fraction of the cost... but still not the best dye choice for a lot of gear. Thank you for pointing out my opinion and letting me know it was my opinion. Not sure what I would've done without that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Thank you for pointing out my opinion and letting me know it was my opinion. Not sure what I would've done without that... So wait... your opinion... is... your opinion? WOAH. MIND = BLOWN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaed Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 That is your opinion. Personally I find White/Light-Orange, Deep-Blue/Light-Brown, Red/White. Medium-Gray/Deep-Green to be great and very flexible with many armor sets. Deep-Orange/Dark-Red is also good, but with more limited armor sets. I use all of these regularly and they are not only fine IMO, they are very inexpensive. As DarthTHC stated earlier.. there are some great dyes (at modest prices on the GTN), some good, and some that are terrible. I ignore the terrible ones. As for Black/Black and Black/Purple... they are frankly poor use on many armor sets because they are in stark contrast to the fixed 3rd color textures. The Deep-Blue/Black crafter dye is superior to both IMO, and a fraction of the cost... but still not the best dye choice for a lot of gear. That is your opinion. Personally, I think they're all terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knockerz Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Dumbest thing I've ever seen. And it takes a TON to top what NCSoft did with Aion. What did NCSoft do with Aion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTomorrow Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Does Red/Red exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 That is your opinion. Personally, I think they're all terrible. I think they are terrible too. Well, most of them are... and for me, it really depends what dyes are applied to what piece of armor. This is why I think the system would be 100,000,000,000,000x better if they just added a section to the kiosk and you could generate your own dye modules. Most pieces use three palettes anyway. People would still pay to use it and they would make a TON more money because you could color all of your gear just the way you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimG Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 And another really big reason that the design of this system sucks. There are limited colors and combos. Last night I tried to actually find a cool look for one of my characters. All of the combos are just average. How much better would it be if they just added a color picker to the kiosk????? Well, I certainly agree that just having a full color palette on the appearance kiosk would have been the better way to go, the colors are limited right now. Obviously, they are planning on adding more colors and combos. So hopefully there will be some better options out there eventually. I wonder what the law would say about this... Making people pay for random packs is tantamount gambling. Its not just the soon to be dye packs, its 95% of the whole Cartel Market system. Just set a price for each item and be done with it!!! forcing people to spend 10s-100s of $$$/£££ chasing a digital item worth £1-£5 is unfair trading practice. This game is rated TEEN so there are lots of kids playing. Your getting kids hooked on gambling with their own or with their parents' money... makes no difference! Plus the law in most parts of the world sets legal gambling age to 18-21 how many kids do you think are buying these packs or asking their parents to, thereby breaking or coercing parents to unknowingly break the law by aiding & abetting a minor to gamble. This is now a Disney umbrella product for crying out loud... "Think of the children, why wont nobody think of the children" I'd expect this from EA, but Bioware... shame on you. Someone should take these clowns to court Internet "lawyers" always give me a chuckle. I'm not going to mention the arbitration clause in the TOS where you waived your right to go to court in favor of arbitration, the age restriction in the TOS whereby everyone who signed up an account acknowledged that they are 18 or have had their parents review the TOS and agree to it on their behalf, or the fact that digital "fluff" does not fall under any gambling laws known to man. No, I won't mention those things Instead, I invite you to contact a lawyer and waste their time with this nonsense. I know about 5-6 that are deserving of some payback and I'd love to refer you to them, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Well, I certainly agree that just having a full color palette on the appearance kiosk would have been the better way to go, the colors are limited right now. Obviously, they are planning on adding more colors and combos. So hopefully there will be some better options out there eventually. This is my biggest fear. That they are going to just milk this forever. Adding like one color every few patches. But why? I mean really. They would make so much more cash by adding a section to the kiosk and let people generate their own dye packs. People would come up with some really need looks and everyone would be so much happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xedis Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I have bought one dye pack, it was 150k on the GTN on day one from excitement. I was and still am ready to buy the colors I want individually from the Cartel Market for up to 50-300 coins each for each account character and many of those characters' companions. BioWare, you guys probably made a bit of coin off this silly system, but you would have made so much more going the other direction. I refuse to buy a gambling pack. Please fix this you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DmdShiva Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Selling does not = buying. I see people listing on the GTN for absurd prices on many different things every day. They list, and relist, and never sell until they come down to market value for the item. This in spades. There are some items I see on the GTN that are listed for 1000 to 10,000 times the lowest listing price, and they're on the GTN for weeks at that price; it makes you wonder how many people are so fixated on the "rare" or "ultra rare" categorization that they assume that they can list an item for whatever outrageous price they want, and eventually someone will come along with their leg armor sporting scorch marks only caused by the spontaneous combustion of huge wads of credits and pay their outrageous price for the item rather than saving 99% on the cost by buying from someone else. I wonder how fast they'd disappear if the listing cost varied, not only by the item's type/level, but by the price that the lister put on the item... and you didn't get the listing fee back if it didn't sell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennethHoover Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I noticed pale puce wasn't a color option so I'm going to rage quit the game now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anzel Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 I have bought one dye pack, it was 150k on the GTN on day one from excitement. I was and still am ready to buy the colors I want individually from the Cartel Market for up to 50-300 coins each for each account character and many of those characters' companions. BioWare, you guys probably made a bit of coin off this silly system, but you would have made so much more going the other direction. I refuse to buy a gambling pack. Please fix this you guys. I wish they would listen to this. Gambling packs are horrible. Gambling packs for something like this is horrible x 1000000000. I wish they would just put a tab on the KIOSK and let us generate our own color combos. They would make a billion times more money and everyone would be happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elements Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Yeah not really worried about the 3rd color.. although changing that would be nice. However, I am ticked off at the draw mechanism.. 1. Spent over $50 on CC's and (not planning 2) used em to get dye module kits (was hoping for a B/W).. think I got one? Nope. 2. The above wouldn't have been so bad had the rare ones been removable... but nope.. they get destroyed and you can't transfer the modules to another piece or back into your inventory. 3. This ticked me off that much.. that I refuse to buy any more CC's.. $50 for a simple little dye module I did not get... and which if I did get it and ended up changing my mind... would have been destroyed had I wanted to keep the armor.. Get with the program EA (Not blaming Bioware for this... as it has EA's greasy greedy and above all cheesy fingers all over it), a majority of customers want to know what they are buying. If I wanted to gamble... I'd go to some casino website... at least then I'd actually have a chance at winning real money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilora Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 You could've bought $20 worth of coins, bought multiple Cathar unlocks, sold em on the GTN, and purchased the dye you wanted with no gambling involved. Would've been better. The random packs are a stupid choice if you're looking for one specific item. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 (edited) You could've bought $20 worth of coins, bought multiple Cathar unlocks, sold em on the GTN, and purchased the dye you wanted with no gambling involved. Would've been better. The random packs are a stupid choice if you're looking for one specific item. . . Exactly. Yet...people keeping following the line_of_stupid through the CM. Or at least claiming they are..... I'm more inclined to think some of these alleged CM expenditures are passive aggressive complaints that the rare dyes are rare and therefore carry a high price between players in the player economy. The market price for Black/Black on a healthy server economy is stable at 2-2.5M and White/White is 1-1.25M. A simple reach for most players to be honest, unless they are new to the game, or simply cannot manage average levels of wealth accumulation inside the game. Edited June 5, 2013 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hessen Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I really wish other MMO games would take what City of Heroes had with their tailor shop. That was the best customization to date imo. So sad to see it go. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elements Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 You could've bought $20 worth of coins, bought multiple Cathar unlocks, sold em on the GTN, and purchased the dye you wanted with no gambling involved. Would've been better. The random packs are a stupid choice if you're looking for one specific item. . . I'm very well aware of that.. however the fact of the matter is that dye modules cannot be "reclaimed" once you use it. Therefor the rarity should also be significantly lower than that of a rare color crystal for example. Yes in hindsight it was the wrong thing to do.. however that does not justify the system. And for the record.. there were no such dyes available on the GTN for quite some time... otherwise I would have indeed bought them via credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 (edited) however the fact of the matter is that dye modules cannot be "reclaimed" once you use it. Therefor the rarity should also be significantly lower than that of a rare color crystal for example. non-reuseable is a separate issue entirely. And it's somewhat of a false economic complaint. Fact is.... even though most mods for gear are reusable in principle, people rarely reuse them because of the cost to pull them and reuse them. Only certain armor mods in end game sets that carry a set bonus tied to them are worth pulling and reusing. People don't even reuse crystals from the cartel markets channel anymore since Collections. Other then the handful of super rare dyes... people would just over-write the dyes even if they were reusable. Show some patience, and I bet you will see dyes added to collections (or a similar mechanic) down the road. Edited June 5, 2013 by Andryah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branmakmuffin Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 I'm very well aware of that.. however the fact of the matter is that dye modules cannot be "reclaimed" once you use it. Therefor the rarity should also be significantly lower than that of a rare color crystal for example. Yes in hindsight it was the wrong thing to do.. however that does not justify the system. The system needs no "justification." If you don't like the system, don't participate in it. If you choose to participate, you know the rules. Easy peasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordArtemis Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 It's pretty obvious they made certain popular dyes rare on purpose. I don't think that is a bad thing....still trying to get my black purple, black black or white white. At any rate, they make the colors more meaningful to me when they are so rare. Just my slant. Some of the color combinations that are missing is the only thing that really bugs me. Like a white dark grey or light grey, that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andryah Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 It's pretty obvious they made certain popular dyes rare on purpose. I don't think that is a bad thing....still trying to get my black purple, black black or white white. At any rate, they make the colors more meaningful to me when they are so rare. I agree. And to be honest.... it's been this way in MMOs for a long time... so I don't get the angst over it really. Some of the color combinations that are missing is the only thing that really bugs me. Like a white dark grey or light grey, that sort of thing. I agree with this as well. But I am sure we will see more dyes (NPC vendor, crafted, and CC only) in future patching... just like everything else in an MMO. If they give us everything on day one, what do we have to crave for the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesixxpack Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 (edited) Thank the force for uninformed consumers. They keep the coffers full so we don't have to. Edited June 5, 2013 by Joesixxpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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