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Keypek

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Not sure anyone has honed in on the "best" spec yet. But in general assault plastique is not worth going to at all. You have to take to many weak abilities just to get to it and they nerfed its burst potential. Most specs tend to stop around asasult trooper and start going up tactics. Then it's whether you want pulse generator or more in assault. Or if you want the extra energy damage out of shield? Lots of variations out there right now. It's going to take a lot of playing around though to find what is good in general and for you personally.
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http://pts.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-calculator/vanguard/237/?build=003200000000000000000000000000000203000000000000000000000000000003230312221201100230003002110010&ver=20

 

Thats the one i quickly started doing just to get straight into PVP, with new bolster and the assault pvp level 40 set HiB crits for 5-6k.

 

Its a very rough thing i just threw together and will definitely be further streamlined, but theres too many juicy skills now and not enough points :p

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Keypek

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Keypek,

Read your posts and think your one I can trust as far as how to play. Any chance you could post your skill tree so I have a better reference as to what to pick and not?

 

I appreciate the vote of confidence. But still not really sure myself. I played for about three hours last night mostly doing dailies and Makeb missions so I can't really speak on pvp yet. But in pve, sadly, I enjoyed going full tactics more than anything lol. That's solo pve... doing a raid or something I probably would have gone back to a hybrid. But ran this and was ok. Beefed up pulse generator, free SS, auto HiB crit, and beefed up ion pulse/fire pulse is nice for cleaning up quest mobs.

http://pts.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-calculator/vanguard/237/?build=003200300000000000000000000000000203120220120212211102300230001000200000000000000000000000000000&ver=20

 

I tried this hybrid in pvp...

http://pts.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-calculator/vanguard/237/?build=003200300000000000000000000000000223120220100212200000000000000003200320221000100000000000000000&ver=20

And did not like it really. You're bloated with abilities that cost to much ammo. IR is useless in pvp with it's 10 meter range and 25 ammo cost. Plasma cell lost its punch in quick pvp fights. Sure it would be nice to have gut, IR, plasma cell all running on a poor soul but taking the time and ammo to do that is tedious and very cost effective when most fights don't last full DoT rotations. So to that I'm not sure what the point of this spec is in pvp? In pve I'm guessing it's still a dps machine over a 5+ minute fight though. But if you want pulse generator that bad in pvp you're better off going with the first spec I posted with full tactics and ignore plasma cell.

 

In the couple pvp matches I did (not a huge sample so take it as you will) I went back to what was basically my old pve spec with a few additions with more points obviously...

http://pts.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-calculator/vanguard/237/?build=003200300000000000000000000000000223120020100000000000000000000003200320221002120230000000000000&ver=20

For pvp this spec felt more "right" than any other. I used IR sparingly (only on tanks or in 1v1 type fights) and instead used gut when able since it's cheaper. I

took overcharged cell capacitor over Burnout for the 6% flat increase in energy damage (IP, PC, IR, PC) instead of 30% increase DoT under 30% because of IR hardly being used and PC being nerfed. Plus your IP hits harder since you can get frontline offense as well.

Being able to aoe DoT people at doors and nodes with explosive surge is fun but mostly just number padding with PC half what it used to be.

Might go tactical tools instead of power armor as well as shorter CD on harpoon and PC would be nice for situational times and the 2% damage redux isn't going to really keep us alive that much longer.

One thing I love about this now is having frontline defense. Course this once again diminishes tactics as that was one of the good things about it was a 6 second interupt. But is invaluable when trying to take down healers.

 

Anyway, this is all from three hours of mixed testing so who knows. To me the last spec seems the most viable for pvp for assault. But overall our burst is down which was the only thing we were good at over other classes. So not sure how this will shake out. I might be switching to my sage more now.

 

For pvp, some changes I'd like to see changed from my limited testing is for IR and AP to be put back to 30m range. There is no point in them being 10m now that they nerfed the burst. Let us start our rotation at range again as those two abilities just seem pointless and ammo hogs once you get in 10m range now with quick pvp fights. Also, Adrenaline Rush needs to start working at 40% imo. Once you get under 30% to many classes can insta gib you with their finisher making it pointless.

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http://pts.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-calculator/vanguard/237/

 

Using the above build, i am torn on the following places to allocate points;

 

1 - Rapid Recharge or Degauss

2 - Power Armor or Demolition

 

Just such a shame theres too few SP now

 

1 - rapid recharge, degauss doesnt give any immunity so you can be snared/rooted right after using it making it worthless while more action is always good.

2 - demolition, I assume you play pyro so more dmg is better than some tanking talents.

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TheRampage

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Was playing pvp as tank, for a long time, since launch, rerolled to dps couple of months ago and had more fun then entire time I was tanking. But now after several WZ (altough still "lowbie") it doesn't seem right. Will need to run more on lvl 55 to see how that looks.

 

But tank tree, tank tree looks nice. Couple of nice new abilities that put us almost to guardian level. Tanking looks much better just by looking at tree, I have full EWH set for that as well so I'll check it. If that sucks as well... ah, got my smasher, got sharp, they say they are good now :D

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No matter what Build you go with dps vanguards are pretty much obsolete now... would suggest rolling a new main or swaping gear to another toon.. vgs and pts are done.

 

Not at all, I ran my vanguard in pvp last night and won all 11 matches I played and on average got 1.5-3 times the dps everyone else was putting out with the exception of snipers/gunslingers (soon to be nerfed) I hit 800k in a regular match. If anything I feel more overpowered than in 1.7

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toomsuba

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Ok lets set things straight. (I actually don't know what was said past the first page because I didn't read, so if I'm covering something that was already said, apologies). A) Vanguard is still a good DPS in PVP. Certainly not the best, but still great. B) Assault Specialist is no longer the best build: Tactics is. So for tactics, go up the tank tree until you get elemental damage bonus. Then spec damage increase on stock strike in assault tree, then finally go all the way up tactics tree. Rotation: Sticky Grenade, Fire Pulse, Gut, Stockstrike, High Impact Bolt, Ion Pulse, Ion Pulse, Pulse Cannon. Of course, you must have High Energy Cell activated for this to be effective, and wear the Combat Tech armor set. But back again to the person who was saying Vanguard DPS sucks: I played 10 warzones the other day, while spec'd assault, and came in number one damage in each of them...So yeah, Vanguard is still great DPS. Hope this helps!
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Ok lets set things straight. (I actually don't know what was said past the first page because I didn't read, so if I'm covering something that was already said, apologies). A) Vanguard is still a good DPS in PVP. Certainly not the best, but still great. B) Assault Specialist is no longer the best build: Tactics is. So for tactics, go up the tank tree until you get elemental damage bonus. Then spec damage increase on stock strike in assault tree, then finally go all the way up tactics tree. Rotation: Sticky Grenade, Fire Pulse, Gut, Stockstrike, High Impact Bolt, Ion Pulse, Ion Pulse, Pulse Cannon. Of course, you must have High Energy Cell activated for this to be effective, and wear the Combat Tech armor set. But back again to the person who was saying Vanguard DPS sucks: I played 10 warzones the other day, while spec'd assault, and came in number one damage in each of them...So yeah, Vanguard is still great DPS. Hope this helps!

 

AP really has no burst damage, then you kind of run out of abilities which leaves you spamming 3-4 flame bursts which now do really bad damage since losing crit damage. If is a clunky spec and isn't terribly rewarding.

 

Pyro in its gimped state is still a better spec.

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AP really has no burst damage, then you kind of run out of abilities which leaves you spamming 3-4 flame bursts which now do really bad damage since losing crit damage. If is a clunky spec and isn't terribly rewarding.

 

Pyro in its gimped state is still a better spec.

 

By AP I assume you mean Assault Plastique? I'm not really sure I understand where you are going.....AP is Assault Spec. But yeah, what made Assault so great was the AP SG combo. Follow that up with a HiB and it was a done deal.

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By AP I assume you mean Assault Plastique? I'm not really sure I understand where you are going.....AP is Assault Spec. But yeah, what made Assault so great was the AP SG combo. Follow that up with a HiB and it was a done deal.

 

Sorry. By AP I meant advanced prototype which is tactics for vanguard.

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Oh, ok sorry. I agree it does lack burst but I think it makes up for that in other areas. The thing is, assault specialist was just stomp em' to the ground spec. Tactics on the other hand actually requires skill to use effectively. It's definitely the best DPS build for Vanguard out there at the moment.
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Ok so ive done every possible build on vg and cant see to much of any viable pvp usability in vanguard as it stands. other than a tank that uses its protection taunts and guard. sure you can pull in lots of numbers but in the end those big numbers are from small amounts of damage most of it is small amounts o aoe damage done on as many peple as you can get to stay in one spot more than 5 sec. now it mat be just me but I would mush rather do 5000 damage to one person most of the time, than do 850 damage to 8 people one time. so yea this is what I think sure vg is good if you wana make big numbers on dps but in the end those number of dps for the most part can be out done by one healers hots witch is usualy in place all the time on people that are in los of the healer. So vg is trash not even barly playable other than a tank
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Ok so ive done every possible build on vg and cant see to much of any viable pvp usability in vanguard as it stands. other than a tank that uses its protection taunts and guard. sure you can pull in lots of numbers but in the end those big numbers are from small amounts of damage most of it is small amounts o aoe damage done on as many peple as you can get to stay in one spot more than 5 sec. now it mat be just me but I would mush rather do 5000 damage to one person most of the time, than do 850 damage to 8 people one time. so yea this is what I think sure vg is good if you wana make big numbers on dps but in the end those number of dps for the most part can be out done by one healers hots witch is usualy in place all the time on people that are in los of the healer. So vg is trash not even barly playable other than a tank

Ok, I'm not quite sure why you are dealing 850 damage with pulse cannon. My belief is that it is an AoE comparable to smash. If you get three stacks of......aw crap I'm blanking, you know what I mean, you've increased the damage of pulse cannon to a little under 2k per tick. That's good, but not as good as it gets. I think pulse cannon has four ticks...usually, 2 out of the four crit for about 3.5k. So say hypothetically all this happens and you have six targets PC affects......you've just done about 60k damage....of course that's an ideal situation, but I've hit 90k damage in about 30 seconds. I understand vanguard dps isn't the greatest, but it's a lot better than you're making it out to be.

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Let's see . Take a 'decent geared' Sorc/Sage , while their Heal ability's can heal up to 5-6 k (even more) , my DPS is 50% of their Heals (makes it , 2-3k , sometimes less , depends if I crit or not) . While before I had no PROBLEM taking on Healers , now I start sweating . Now , I don't know , it's either BW that simply just doesn't feel like 'Testing' all the updates before adding them into the Game , or it's me , being a TOTAL noob . I understand , PTs/VGs can't be on the same page as Mara/Sent DPS , but c'mon , that doesn't mean you have to COMPLETELY ruin a fun class . It's hard to even keep up with Tank specced Jugs/Guards , it's a fact . I don't care about ppl saying ' I can still get up to 1m DPS as VG/PT' Normal you can , keep on spamming AoEs (the few DoTs we have) and you're fine (+ a good team) . The question isn't 'Is VG/PT a good DPS' , the question is ' Can a PT/VG still compete with any other DPS class' .

 

But , I can remb ppl saying (in Beta) wait a couple of Years , give BW some time to ruin the game .

 

Cheers . (Sorry for the englisch , been late ...)

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Let's see . Take a 'decent geared' Sorc/Sage , while their Heal ability's can heal up to 5-6 k (even more) , my DPS is 50% of their Heals (makes it , 2-3k , sometimes less , depends if I crit or not) . While before I had no PROBLEM taking on Healers , now I start sweating . Now , I don't know , it's either BW that simply just doesn't feel like 'Testing' all the updates before adding them into the Game , or it's me , being a TOTAL noob . I understand , PTs/VGs can't be on the same page as Mara/Sent DPS , but c'mon , that doesn't mean you have to COMPLETELY ruin a fun class . It's hard to even keep up with Tank specced Jugs/Guards , it's a fact . I don't care about ppl saying ' I can still get up to 1m DPS as VG/PT' Normal you can , keep on spamming AoEs (the few DoTs we have) and you're fine (+ a good team) . The question isn't 'Is VG/PT a good DPS' , the question is ' Can a PT/VG still compete with any other DPS class' .

 

But , I can remb ppl saying (in Beta) wait a couple of Years , give BW some time to ruin the game .

 

Cheers . (Sorry for the englisch , been late ...)

 

It's not longer EZ mode. Time to re-learn the class.

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