DkSharktooth Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Smart PlayerSmart PlayerSmart PlayerSmart PlayerSmart PlayerSmart PlayerSmart PlayerSmart Player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_Past Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Smart PlayerSmart PlayerSmart PlayerSmart PlayerSmart PlayerSmart PlayerSmart PlayerSmart Player This. It seems that balance in RWZ will allow for a larger variance of successful team comps, as long as the team can synergize and play smart. Personally, I want to try something like this: Guardian Tank Shadow Offnode Scoundrel Heals Sage Heals Guardian Vigilance (Focus/Second main fight tank situationally) Sentinel Combat (Focus situationally) Gunslinger Sharpshooter or Sab Vanguard Pyro with Smoke grenade Not 100% on the Vanguard spec, but having a main fight pull is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ArchangelLBC Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 That was a misconception by this guy, http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=602856, then he post a goodbye forever post http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=610198. I know Deception will hit like a truck, and in my honest opinion its the only counter to snipers. Having a Deception in a party come 2.0 will be a good idea, maybe not all team comps but I honestly think it could work well. It wasn't a misconception. The original changes to deception were AWFUL and pretty much gutted the AC in PVP. It was only the later changes which replaced the lacerate/whirling blow talent which was a pretty amazing change. That being said I'm hoping it will be strong in 2.0, but honestly I'll be surprised if sins aren't relegated to offnode guarding just like now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caeliux Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) It wasn't a misconception. The original changes to deception were AWFUL Your awful is a pts opinion, and all you guys posted bs how deception is suppose to be like this and that when in fact nobody could actually play with it daily in pvp warzones on the pts cause the bolster was bugged. So again for the 100% time a pts opinion is irrelevant to anything coming in 2.0. Notice how Bioware is still changing the original score of classes, incoming more changes even after 2.0 All that pts drama and anxiety was and is premature. /fin Edited April 8, 2013 by Caeliux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerinnAybara Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Your awful is a pts opinion, and all you guys posted bs how deception is suppose to be like this and that when in fact nobody could actually play with it daily in pvp warzones on the pts cause the bolster was bugged. So again for the 100% time a pts opinion is irrelevant to anything coming in 2.0. Notice how Bioware is still changing the original score of classes, incoming more changes even after 2.0 All that pts drama and anxiety was and is premature. /fin You act like bolster was bugged for the entire duration of the PTS. It wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainamoinen Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 based on what i saw on PTS, sage/sorc DPS is capable of some impressive and hard hitting damage in 2.0. iirc they have a auto-crit on thundering blast, which was hitting hard.. Haven't seen much mention of it on the forum, but I caught some frightening hits off Thundering Blast on PTS. After Smash, it was just ahead of Ambush and Hidden Strike for average damage (fewer hits by it though, not many people using it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashogy_reborn Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Haven't seen much mention of it on the forum, but I caught some frightening hits off Thundering Blast on PTS. After Smash, it was just ahead of Ambush and Hidden Strike for average damage (fewer hits by it though, not many people using it). yeah nobody really mentioned in on the PTS forum, but in the warzones i did i saw a lot of sorc/sages beating the snot out of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laforet Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 yeah nobody really mentioned in on the PTS forum, but in the warzones i did i saw a lot of sorc/sages beating the snot out of people. Glass cannon with cannon finally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caeliux Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) You act like bolster was bugged for the entire duration of the PTS. It wasn't. It was bugged enough for noone to post anything creditable about classes incoming in 2.0. People was coming on the forums left and right with biased opinions how a class will pan out in 2.0 because they dueled each other and used test dummies in the pts. What funny with that method is that is not real pvp and for sure not the right calculations you want to bring on a forum and expect people to take you serious. I got nothing else to say about it, if people want to believe the sky is red and never went outside then go right ahead and be gullible. Edited April 8, 2013 by Caeliux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cashogy_reborn Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 It was bugged enough for noone to post anything creditable about classes incoming in 2.0. People was coming on the forums left and right with opiniosn how a class will pan out in 2.0 because they dueled each other and used test dummies in pts. What funny with that method is that is not real pvp and forsure not the right calculations you want to bring on a forum and expect people to take you serious. I gott nothing else to say about it, if people want to believe the sky is red and never went outside then go ahead. it was bugged for no more than a week. i was able to do close to 50 warzones post Bolster bug. which imo, was more than enough for me to get a feel for commando balance in PvP come 2.0. which also means that others would have been able to do enough warzones to get solid opinions of other classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caeliux Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) it was bugged for no more than a week. i was able to do close to 50 warzones post Bolster bug. which imo, was more than enough for me to get a feel for commando balance in PvP come 2.0. which also means that others would have been able to do enough warzones to get solid opinions of other classes. Sure geting a feel is one thing, but having anxiety and posting nonsense is another. Plus that was a rough draft, any xpac gets tweaked before the final release, even after release more tweaks will come. My argument is never to discredit opinions, I only suggest people to not post final verdicts on classes when coming outta a test like server with biased opinions. I hope that makes sense. Cause all that does is spread panic and misconceptions, which we don't need in this game anymore. But whatever, people will believe what they see at first hand and that is not the right thing to do.. Edited April 8, 2013 by Caeliux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaane Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Nothing will change. The comp that wins most of Ranked matches right now on Bastion will most likely be still the dominant comp. You can replace the PT with another dpser and it still work fine as well. 1. Sorc Heal2. Operative Heal3. Jugg Tank4. Sin Node Guard5. Smash Marauder / Carnage respec for few maps6. Smash Marauder7 . Lethality Sniper8. Pyro PT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caeliux Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Nothing will change. The comp that wins most of Ranked matches right now on Bastion will most likely be still the dominant comp. You can replace the PT with another dpser and it still work fine as well. 1. Sorc Heal 2. Operative Heal 3. Jugg Tank 4. Sin Node Guard 5. Smash Marauder / Carnage respec for few maps 6. Smash Marauder 7 . Lethality Sniper 8. Pyro PT I agree, I do think though puting in a sage dps or adding a vanguard tank could work. Far as the others guess it would be preference more than anything, some guilds won't be comfortable rolling any other spec that is unproven due to pride. That would not be my method, but whatever floats your boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom_VI Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I agree, I do think though puting in a sage dps or adding a vanguard tank could work. Far as the others guess it would be preference more than anything, some guilds won't be comfortable rolling any other spec that is unproven due to pride. That would not be my method, but whatever floats your boat. The Vanguard tank and dps are both out Pyro is out as CGC dot was nerfed to the ground RS armor pen was nerfed TD/AP was turned into a dot with a time delay All three pyro dots are cleanseable (TD can be cleansed before it even goes off) Tactic/AP is probably better now due to higher utility and better survive ability As for Van Tanks their utility is better but the stat return nerf on shield, absorb, and armor plus the removal of 6% shield from tree plus the increased dps from all classes put shield spec TTK down The spec's reliance on shield procs for both its dps and mitigation makes it vulnerable to upfront burst. 1v1 a carnage maur could take down my van before my HIB came off cd from the fight's start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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