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Rule of two created the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, Darth Sidious, it was founded by the Sith'Ari himself Darth Bane and became the first ever Sith organization to wipe out the Jedi and conquer the Republic, if the Rule of Two is weak, the other Sith incarnations are pathetic.
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Rule of two created the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, Darth Sidious, it was founded by the Sith'Ari himself Darth Bane and became the first ever Sith organization to wipe out the Jedi and conquer the Republic, if the Rule of Two is weak, the other Sith incarnations are pathetic.

 

Only because the Sith became a shadow group was Sidious's rise possible. More Sith is better. Why do you think the Jedi don't use a similar rule?

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Only because the Sith became a shadow group was Sidious's rise possible. More Sith is better. Why do you think the Jedi don't use a similar rule?

 

The Sith wipe themselves out, every single time and if they don't, they become individually weak under the quise of being 'equal Lords', the reason Bane decided to have only two at a given time is become they inevitably defeat themselves or become so weak that the Jedi flatten them, take the Battle of Ruusan for example.

 

The Jedi don't stab each other in the back 24/7 because of petty powerplays, the only Sith organization that even came close to being a united force that didn't bother with Sith 'politics' was Malgus' empire, that lasted a whole of nil.

 

The more Sith you stick in a room, the more chances you have of the strong ones dying through god knows what means and then the weak ones have their own powerplays to become the now weaker Dark Lord.

 

the Rule of Two cancels that out and allows the Sith to grow exponentially more powerful with each new Master, until we get to Sidious who schooled Yoda, the second greatest Jedi ever and was barely defeated by the second greatest duellist ever, Mace Windu.

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Really? So destroying the Republic with two (count 'em two) Sith is not impressive. The Rule of Two was genius on Bane's part (with Revan involvement of course, darn you DK! :)), it allowed the Sith to grow in power while the Jedi weakened. However, the latter part didn't happen because Bane didn't understand how the Jedi grew in strength. So after a good thousand years, we have the Sith at their peak and the Jedi at their peak power. The Rule of Two produced the greatest Sith Lord to ever exist, and the Jedi Order producing some of the greatest Jedi Masters of all time.

 

For Sidious to do what he did was amazing and it was all thanks to the Rule of Two. As to your second point. Compared to Sidious, Bane is weak. But he isn't some chump.

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Eh the only really disadvantage with the rule of two is the fact that there can only be two sith at a time if both of em end up dying or being redeemed in some of form the sith as a whole is stuffed. Other than that its great since it eradicated the jedi order and took over the republic.
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Really? So destroying the Republic with two (count 'em two) Sith is not impressive. The Rule of Two was genius on Bane's part (with Revan involvement of course, darn you DK! :)), it allowed the Sith to grow in power while the Jedi weakened. However, the latter part didn't happen because Bane didn't understand how the Jedi grew in strength. So after a good thousand years, we have the Sith at their peak and the Jedi at their peak power. The Rule of Two produced the greatest Sith Lord to ever exist, and the Jedi Order producing some of the greatest Jedi Masters of all time.

 

For Sidious to do what he did was amazing and it was all thanks to the Rule of Two. As to your second point. Compared to Sidious, Bane is weak. But he isn't some chump.

 

Let's not overrate the rule of two. It was a great idea on Bane's part, but without the deception/trickery/infiltration/skills/manipulative/master-mind that was Sidious, it wouldn't have won the Sith the galaxy.

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Let's not overrate the rule of two. It was a great idea on Bane's part, but without the deception/trickery/infiltration/skills/manipulative/master-mind that was Sidious, it wouldn't have won the Sith the galaxy.

 

And Plagueis :)

 

However, Sidious and Plagueis probably wouldn't have been in place without the Rule of Two.

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Something else no one pointed out. The rule of two allowed the sith to be ALOT more elusive. The Jedi actually thought many times that there were no sith left. This is why Sidious was able to fly completely under the radar and manipulate the government infrastructure.

 

I believe it was even mentioned on Episode 1.....when they told the council about their run in with maul on tatooine the council was in denial about sith still existing.

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So how is it that all the other Sith before Bane failed to destroy the Republic and the Jedi? And yet the Banite line suceeded? More Sith is not better, not only does it dilute their power - it leads to the weak banding together to take down the strong and so the Order constantly implodes on itself and grows weaker.

 

Play this game Imperial side if you haven't already and all shall become clear... most of the missions involve infighting rather than fighting the Republic.

 

But hey, I figure your probably a troll seeing as you haven't really put forward any credible argument...

Let's not overrate the rule of two. It was a great idea on Bane's part, but without the deception/trickery/infiltration/skills/manipulative/master-mind that was Sidious, it wouldn't have won the Sith the galaxy.

Well Plageuis actually did 50% if not more of the work for him... and most likely another genius would have come along as the Rule practically spawned them. Not to mention Sidious had a millenia of planning behind him. Bane was also very intelligent also. As was Cognus and Zannah. And even if another super smart Sith had not come along... the way the Order was going they would have ended up taking over the Republic anyways. I can just imagine it... Apprentice: "hey, what are we gonna do next to expand our power base?" Master: "Well by the looks of it we kinda control the galaxy, so errrr... guess we can declare a Sith Empire now" :p

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Then how did Palpatine beat the Jedi and turn the republic into his empire, gaining Vader as an apprentice? It for sure wasn't being part of a gigantic cult that could be seen from a galaxy away. The Rule of Two is one of the strongest incarnations of the Sith, so you coming down and trashing on it and it's creator is pure nonsense.
T4R. Bane sucks for making this.
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I'm not sure what I think of the rule of two. On one hand, it did negate most of the Sith infighting and eventually defeated the republic. On the other hand, it had an extremely critical weakness that the Sith Empire did not, something that Bane overlooked: the possibility of one of the Sith being redeemed. When Darth Vader redeemed himself, it led to the death of both the Emperor and himself, and the Empire along with them. (It's true that Sith could be redeemed in the times of the Sith Empire, but since there was so many Sith, the effects were negligible. With only two Sith, even one redemption is fatal.) Edited by rashencyberspeed
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Redemption was always a massive threat to the rule of two, but flying under the radar like the rule called for pretty well negated the chance that the jedi would notice and expend significant effort attempting it. Darth bane acknowledged that the jedi unity was their biggest strength, and lack of unity was the sith's greatest weakness.

 

He recognized the only way for the sith to survive was the rule of two, in order to slide under the radar of the jedi. Become invisible, basically.

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I'm not sure what I think of the rule of two. On one hand, it did negate most of the Sith infighting and eventually defeated the republic. On the other hand, it had an extremely critical weakness that the Sith Empire did not, something that Bane overlooked: the possibility of one of the Sith being redeemed. When Darth Vader redeemed himself, it led to the death of both the Emperor and himself, and the Empire along with them. (It's true that Sith could be redeemed in the times of the Sith Empire, but since there was so many Sith, the effects were negligible. With only two Sith, even one redemption is fatal.)

Holocrons - other Force users can take up the mantle and reignite the line. e.g. Lumiya and Caedus, although if they had gone into hiding and started again they probably would have been more successful... basically all I'm saying is that the Rule could start again and in another thousand years or two the Sith would control the galaxy once more.

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If not for Bane the Brotherhood of Darkness might have defeated the Jedi and the Republic making the entire peroid that followed meaningless. On top of that it took Bane's order around a 1000 years to win and even then they barely held it for 20 years or so? Compared to even the time period in SWTOR when the Sith Empire holds quite a bit of territory that's just sad.

 

Then we have a Rakata who held together a Empire fueled by the dark side even longer. Honestly compared to the Old Republic were the darkside users do have their own Empires/have managed to build quite a bit in the past the Bane Order just seems sad. Not to mention stupid since if he had worked with Kaan they could have won there and then instead of wasting 1000 years on plotting.

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If not for Bane the Brotherhood of Darkness might have defeated the Jedi and the Republic making the entire peroid that followed meaningless. On top of that it took Bane's order around a 1000 years to win and even then they barely held it for 20 years or so? Compared to even the time period in SWTOR when the Sith Empire holds quite a bit of territory that's just sad.

 

Then we have a Rakata who held together a Empire fueled by the dark side even longer. Honestly compared to the Old Republic were the darkside users do have their own Empires/have managed to build quite a bit in the past the Bane Order just seems sad. Not to mention stupid since if he had worked with Kaan they could have won there and then instead of wasting 1000 years on plotting.

 

The Brotherhood was weak though, most Dark Lords weren't beyond Sith apprentice level and the Sith under Kaan had basically become stagnant, but the amount of numbers the Sith had still wasn't enough at Ruusan, when Lord Hoth and the others came down on them, they got smashed, that's how Bane convinced Kaan and the rest to use the Thought Bomb in the first place.

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I'm not sure what I think of the rule of two. On one hand, it did negate most of the Sith infighting and eventually defeated the republic. On the other hand, it had an extremely critical weakness that the Sith Empire did not, something that Bane overlooked: the possibility of one of the Sith being redeemed. When Darth Vader redeemed himself, it led to the death of both the Emperor and himself, and the Empire along with them. (It's true that Sith could be redeemed in the times of the Sith Empire, but since there was so many Sith, the effects were negligible. With only two Sith, even one redemption is fatal.)

 

My argument was because Anakin was a Jedi before. All the other Sith in the Rule of Two were potential Force users who had escaped the notice of the Jedi. Anakin on the other hand became a Jedi, and even though he was a Sith Lord for a while there was always that little bit inside of him that was Jedi.

 

The Brotherhood was weak though, most Dark Lords weren't beyond Sith apprentice level and the Sith under Kaan had basically become stagnant, but the amount of numbers the Sith had still wasn't enough at Ruusan, when Lord Hoth and the others came down on them, they got smashed, that's how Bane convinced Kaan and the rest to use the Thought Bomb in the first place.

 

Exactly. The Brotherhood of Darkness was on the losing end, hence Bane's chance to convince Kaan to use the thought bomb. There was no way the Brotherhood would have won.

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is everyone forgetting the lost tribe of the sith. there has never been two sith... ever. even sidious had maul when plagious was still alive. plagious killed other sith during his rise. its never happened.
Sidious, Bane and the others would say they are not true Sith - not that it matters because they are a different order...

 

Oh and by the Sidious and Plagueis line they had all but abandoned the rule, believing they had reached the pinnacle of power and no longer needed to continue the line - which was probably true.

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It's been awhile since I read the first Bane book, but didn't he get the idea of the Rule of Two from one of Revan's holocrons? Just a thought, so correct me if I'm wrong here.

Correct. Revan taught only ever to have one apprentice at any time as having several would lead the weaker to banding together and defeating the stronger and so would weaken the Sith. It was Bane's idea however to only ever have two Sith at a time.

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Sidious, Bane and the others would say they are not true Sith - not that it matters because they are a different order...

 

Oh and by the Sidious and Plagueis line they had all but abandoned the rule, believing they had reached the pinnacle of power and no longer needed to continue the line - which was probably true.

 

not true sith? they served under Naga Sadow in one of the galaxies greatest wars. if anything they are more sith than sidious or bane

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The rule of two destroyed sidious, and his apprentice was redeemed, and died. The sith would have been better off co-existing in another part of the galaxy.

 

The rule of two was a failure. In the scheme of things their little win was short lived, and it cost them all the sith in one fatal stroke.

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