mutharex Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Um... Maybe because we DON'T consider it a major letdown? We can see its faults and want them to be fixed, but we simply don't find them detrimental to our enjoyment. I think the divide would be "adults with experience of Real Life" and "kids and basement dwellers". The first group tends to rationalist and doesn't get up in arms because few things don't work or because this isn't WoW in space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archifikoss Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 What do you think of the Galactic trade market? Could be better, it's kind of unintuitive and the filters are weird. Haven't used it too much but I'll get used to it, however it does need some tweaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandrax Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 What do you think of the Galactic trade market? Functional yet not ideal. It's by no means broken as many seem to claim. It's just not as efficient as it could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCVM Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) @ OP Nobody forces you to play this game and I don't care how many fancy tournaments you have taken part in, I find your review rubbish. Honestly speaking, if you don't enjoy it just leave, there is a majority of people here who really love the game and are happy to play it and we don't need this degree of unreasonable criticism from a so-called pro-gamer. It's fair enough if you don't enjoy the game, but don't impose your opinion like that. A review is okay, but be more reasonable in your criticism, don't just whine about things that are different to your precious WoW and figure out mechanics in this game before saying it's broke. edit: Okay some points are fair such as galactic trade system can use a touch-up... But most I don't really agree with. PvP for instance is quite enjoyable! I like the level 10-50 idea, and the warzones are really well designed... imho so much better than any of the original WoW Battlegrounds... in fact any of them if I come to think about it. Plus, the game only just launched; you can expect BioWare to iron out any minor issues as well as implementing major updates/content within months. What's the problem? It's a million times better than WoW launch and the game has plenty to offer currently. Edited December 21, 2011 by JCVM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zannis Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 OP claims to be a top ranked world CS/WoW player. I've read so many reviews from people claiming to be from a top ten WoW guild that I laugh whenever I see a post that starts off with a video gaming resume. The best part is, hidden deep within this carefully constructed post, is the OP stating that he is still playing because he can't wait to see the end game Operations. I love the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperbanjo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) True and not so. Is somehow fair to compare both games at release times, but, as a customer that wants to buy one of the 2 his choice is not between wow from 7 years ago and swtor, but between wow how it stands now and swtor how it stands now. As a customer i'm interested about NOW I agree with you completely.. I just think people are going to be harsh on this game at release because they have expectations from a game (or other games) that have been out for a long time. Yes, there are so many similar features from WoW.. but WoW is also apparently dying. A little while back, I don't remember the exact time frame, but they had lost something like 500,000 subscribers. So the developers of this game take these features, probably that existed back when they started to make the game, and then leave a lot of room for improvement. Obviously people are not happy with the customer service right now because it doesn't seem like they care.. but maybe it will change. Maybe they will take all these things people are upset about and implement them.. maybe it'll be the same as WoW, but maybe it won't.. maybe it will be better. Edit: WoW Subscriber Loss Source (And there have been more reports of these since then, I think.) Edited December 21, 2011 by paperbanjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutharex Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 OP claims to be a top ranked world CS/WoW player. I've read so many reviews from people claiming to be from a top ten WoW guild that I laugh whenever I see a post that starts off with a video gaming resume. The best part is, hidden deep within this carefully constructed post, is the OP stating that he is still playing because he can't wait to see the end game Operations. I love the internet. yeah have you noticed the huge number of "IT Project manager" and "network security specialist" that pop up in game forums? Amazing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutharex Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I agree with you completely.. I just think people are going to be harsh on this game at release because they have expectations from a game (or other games) that have been out for a long time. Yes, there are so many similar features from WoW.. but WoW is also apparently dying. A little while back, I don't remember the exact time frame, but they had lost something like 500,000 subscribers. So the developers of this game take these features, probably that existed back when they started to make the game, and then leave a lot of room for improvement. Obviously people are not happy with the customer service right now because it doesn't seem like they care.. but maybe it will change. Maybe they will take all these things people are upset about and implement them.. maybe it'll be the same as WoW, but maybe it won't.. maybe it will be better. Some people are angry because feature X or Y from WoW isn't in this game, wrongly assuming that feature X or Y are actually good and necessary while they are mostly crap. The fact they are not present is a boon not a defect. TOR is in almost every aspect 8except, of course, quantity of content) way superior to WoW NOW, not 7 years ago. teh amount of features that TOR has and WoW doesn't (and will probably copy) is staggering: - AoE looting - fully voiced quests - story driven game - companions that are more than pets - special currency as incentive to grouping and so on WoW is a poor TOR clone ;p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zannis Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Some people are angry because feature X or Y from WoW isn't in this game, wrongly assuming that feature X or Y are actually good and necessary while they are mostly crap. The fact they are not present is a boon not a defect. TOR is in almost every aspect 8except, of course, quantity of content) way superior to WoW NOW, not 7 years ago. teh amount of features that TOR has and WoW doesn't (and will probably copy) is staggering: - AoE looting - fully voiced quests - story driven game - companions that are more than pets - special currency as incentive to grouping and so on WoW is a poor TOR clone ;p Let's not forget how a few days after Bioware announces the Legacy system, Blizzard goes and announces the Battle.Net ID, which is practically the same system...a handle/nickname for your account. Yet, no one seems to rush to TOR's defense in this particular instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alerum Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I like the PVP better than WoW just because I don't seem to die as easily. This too can be due to the newness of the game I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperbanjo Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Some people are angry because feature X or Y from WoW isn't in this game, wrongly assuming that feature X or Y are actually good and necessary while they are mostly crap. The fact they are not present is a boon not a defect. TOR is in almost every aspect 8except, of course, quantity of content) way superior to WoW NOW, not 7 years ago. teh amount of features that TOR has and WoW doesn't (and will probably copy) is staggering: - AoE looting - fully voiced quests - story driven game - companions that are more than pets - special currency as incentive to grouping and so on WoW is a poor TOR clone ;p Yep.. I'm loving this game so far. Honestly don't care what any review says.. it's not going to change my opinion.. only the game will. There are flaws.. it's not perfect. I report bugs as they happen and just hope someone sees them for them to be fixed. AoE loot is my friend. WoW didn't have that? What game did I play that did, then? Haha. It's a familiar thing to me and I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbramble Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 To the OP, enjoy your quest text, cya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurV Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I like the PVP better than WoW just because I don't seem to die as easily. This too can be due to the newness of the game I don't know. That was the case with wow at release too. I remember when with my feral druid i could heal more than half my health with a healing touch. And when it took some time to kill a shaman/paladin. And the balance was ... nowhere. There was that joke with the king of aliance and a lonely shaman that was near a huge rock and killing armies of aliance away from the king's vision by hiding behind that rock, until one survivor come back and said: "sir, it's a trap. There's two of them!" To me PvP seems a lot more balanced, not perfect yet. And indeed the game has a lot, a LOT to improve (UI, GTN, Addons, etc) but it has good things and it has potential. Huge. And, FFS, it has LIGHTSABERS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanMan Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I'm having retarded fun, but these comparisons are inevitable. TOR's lack of polish may be understandable, and maybe even reasonable, but its still a bit of a shame. There's never been a flawless MMO launch, that much is true, but Rift had its **** together regarding what it wants to do with the combat and leveling. The progressive stance in TOR is very much geared towards players like me, who come from Bioware's corner. The stories're great, but they could've easily been KOTOR 3. I'm concerned about the future of this game, but I'm also hopeful. It's hella fun so far, and I can't wait to see what happens at the end. Might even keep playing after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutharex Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Yep.. I'm loving this game so far. Honestly don't care what any review says.. it's not going to change my opinion.. only the game will. There are flaws.. it's not perfect. I report bugs as they happen and just hope someone sees them for them to be fixed. AoE loot is my friend. WoW didn't have that? What game did I play that did, then? Haha. It's a familiar thing to me and I love it. Rift, I believe, introduced AoE looting. BTW almost all the whiners on this forum will complain about ANYTHING but ask them if they bugged the issue or reported it to the devs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archifikoss Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Rift, I believe, introduced AoE looting. BTW almost all the whiners on this forum will complain about ANYTHING but ask them if they bugged the issue or reported it to the devs..... I believe this game should also include looting over time, as well as an ability to loot living enemies on a hefty cooldown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmaura Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 this review is not biased at all. almost everything you said was wrong with the game are odd things, the game sucks becuase of the UI, no kidding thats what makes a good game, well seing as you like your lobby game wow I can understand that. LFG is a horrible idea. Also this may not be your only review but it is not a review its a re affirmation of your own beliefs which a review is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alerum Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 That was the case with wow at release too. I remember when with my feral druid i could heal more than half my health with a healing touch. And when it took some time to kill a shaman/paladin. And the balance was ... nowhere. There was that joke with the king of aliance and a lonely shaman that was near a huge rock and killing armies of aliance away from the king's vision by hiding behind that rock, until one survivor come back and said: "sir, it's a trap. There's two of them!" To me PvP seems a lot more balanced, not perfect yet. And indeed the game has a lot, a LOT to improve (UI, GTN, Addons, etc) but it has good things and it has potential. Huge. And, FFS, it has LIGHTSABERS!!!! The only thing I'm not so sure about is the PVP not being bracketed. From what I've seen that buff they give lowbies to compensate for their lowness in a PVP match doesn't help that much. Yesterday in Alderan we were totally steamrolled as the other team were all 40+ and we were one 46 and the rest around 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraunKrynn Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Cool story, bro. Glad you enjoyed beta testing to level 20. Have fun in Azeroth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutharex Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I believe this game should also include looting over time, as well as an ability to loot living enemies on a hefty cooldown. You mean pickpocketing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarMagus Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Comparing a finely tuned game with 7+ years of polish to a brand new release is rather unfair as well. Though, I guess the world is unfair and SWTOR has to be compared to what else is currently out there - not to where the other things were at their release. Not really. Is TOR going against WoW as it is now, or as it was at release? If I'm a new player I don't care that 7 years ago what shape WoW was in. ((Good or Bad, many players feel WoW has gotten worse in many aspects.)) What matters to me is if I log in, what is my experience... today. That said TOR *might* have more upside, but when you are talking about games that have the ability to radically shift just because of an expansion pack. An example being look at wow's talent point system compared to Release, Now, and after the xpac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archifikoss Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) You mean pickpocketing? In true underpant gnomes style. Edited December 21, 2011 by archifikoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selvetarm Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 bro, story cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basiliscus Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 I'm having alot of fun playing TOR, I was no longer having fun in WoW. Thats pretty much it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eegorr Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 So, my only real other MMO that I have played is WoW.... and I stopped. I'm loving this game, but mostly because of the story driven elements. It has some flaws, but on the whole they got a lot of things right. Also, I don't care at all for PvP. I do believe this should be in an MMO and it should be the best it could possibly be, but I'm not the one to judge this -- I leave that to the PvP pros. What gets me sometimes is the comments on the forum that say 'WoW has been in development for several years, don't expect TOR to have implemented everything'. While this is true to some extent, it is mostly a false statement. It's like saying that a new brand of car should be started with a crank rather than a starting engine because early cars were started that way. WoW has been developed over several years, and it has given the creators time to test features and keep what works. This is a lot of work and should not be scoffed at, but once in play we can form an opinion what works and what doesn't and TOR can implement what does work with a fraction of the original affect (we are not talking Apple Samsung patent trolling here). We will see how the operations hold up, but since I've gone from progress raiding guilds to more casual gaming (work, girl friend, life, etc) for me, TOR is infinitely better than WoW and I think it is fair to compare the two because I do agree with the OP that this game is WoW in space with a better story. What's worse, I don't think this has to be a bad thing even though there are many things I'd like to see changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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