Flashpoint Loot Priorities.

[RedRapture]

The fortunate thing for you is, you won't have to group with a 10 year old tank in the future. Seriously, "I didn't get any loot so I'm going to just need on something?" Who needs to play with a player like that?

 

Probably the same people who need a healer who charges to run a flashpoint or heroic group quest...

[HarleysRule]

Just to pipe in, I seem to remember them saying quite some time ago that they were going to be adding some sort of "companion" option to the need/greed/pass stuff, and that once they did, they would "fix" need so it only lets you need on stuff YOU can actually use.

 

That being said, I think this may have actually been said before 1.2 dropped, so it's quite possible this fell off the table at some point.

 

Yeah...WTH happened to this? How about an update, devs?

Edited July 11, 2012 by HarleysRule

[Evangelist]

Again, define what "NEED" means to you, then define what "NEED" means to another player?

- I WANT Credits (Valid)

- I WANT gear for my Companion (Valid)

- I WANT the gears mods (Valid)

- I WANT it for <insert reason here>

 

Who are you to ASSUME what "NEED" means to another player?

 

See what Im getting at? I feel your pain, you lost a roll, so do what the rest of us do, RUN IT AGAIN. Its really that simple.

 

And please, enough with the whole "LAZY" argument, its not a valid response to your issue at hand.

 

 

The only things you really need are air, water, food, and shelter. In that order. Everthing else is a want, and in the context of a video game everything is a want. Splitting hairs on a term that the MMO gaming system decided to use for their roll prioritization system is just being a douchebag.

 

Really MMOs should have adopted a Class/Role/Craft and Trade rolling system.

 

Class/Role/Craft - can only be selected if they are the appropriate class or have the appropriate tradeskill (and don't already know the pattern, if they do then they roll Trade for it). Higest priority roll and binds item.

Trade - this is the lowest priority roll for vendoring and selling in the GTN/AH/whatever. BoE items remain BoE.

 

Essentially that is what a certain other game actually finally implemented after 7 years. It still has flaws due to other features that they implemented or did as of my last played date.

[Tleilaxos]

I never realized this game had so many whiners.

[Never_Hesitate]

I never realized this game had so many whiners.

 

Just go into the pvp section if you think he is a whiner.

[YanksfanJP]

I had a rather negative experience last night in a random LFG party.

My friend and I queued together, she was on her Jedi Sage and I was on my Jedi Sentinel, the run itself went very smoothly, right up until the final boss.

 

When it was downed, it dropped the Token piece for a set of the JEDI KNIGHT/SITH WARRIOR specific Tier gear. Naturally, as this was an upgrade for my character, I needed it... as did the tank, who was a Jedi SHADOW, a class which cannot even use/trade, or in any other way benefit from said token piece... and, of course, he won the roll.

 

When my healer friend questioned him, asking why he would need on a piece of gear he cannot use when it was clearly an upgrade for someone else in the party, HIS friend and guildmate replied that, "The tank was upset because no gear had dropped for him during the run, so he needed that in order to get SOMETHING."

 

First and foremost, I think we can all agree that this was beyond words in terms of rudeness and just flat out unnecessary behaviour.

 

Secondly, I GENUINELY hope that in the future, Bioware adds a system that makes such pieces that are CLASS specific able to ONLY be needed upon by members OF said CLASS. Granted, this won't solve completely the issue of 'ninja looting', but at least such a system would aid in cutting down on said behaviour.

 

That being said, I certainly hope this person develops a better attitude toward group looting in the future. I've gone many times where I've run multiple, (four to nine), random Flashpoints without even once seeing a piece of gear that might benefit my character. It. Happens. Sometimes your luck just isn't there. When that happens, deal with it, but don't jack other people out of gear because you're mad at the random loot generator.

 

 

If you don't like the system, form your own group and set a different loot system. If you can't be troubled to do that, you have to deal with random idiots and the need/greed loot system.

 

You chose the latter. You don't get to complain about the choice you made.

[Vithalor]

That point matters naught. Fact of the matter is that the item IS BENEFICAL to the Shadow. The OP spread a story that was simply false.

 

Not false, I just simply think that anyone would be rude enough to need a Knight token from a Knight in order to strip out STRENGTH mods and place them in Light gear. (I'd LOVE to hear an explanation on how THAT would be in anyway useful to the SHADOW). Strength + Shadow = win?

 

As a random addition - I think it's fantastic how many people think I'm 'whining' because I post a simple explanation of something that is, in my opinion, (and clearly in the opinion of many other players), an issue, and suggest that perhaps Bioware look into it.

 

I suppose that makes EVERYONE in the world a 'whiner'. Because I'm sure at some point we've all gone, "Wow, maybe X could be done another way." If you've ever done that, about anything, ever, you're CLEARLY a whiner.

 

/pumps fist in the air "Whiners of the world unite!"

 

Seriously people... calmly expressing an issue and offering a suggestion of possible ways to better the issue, is not whining.

 

 

Here's an example of whining. EXAMPLE - "WAAAAAAAAAAAH SOME JERKWAD STOLE MY LOOT, QQQQQQ, WAAAAH!"

 

There, don't you feel better now? Clearly this was not what my OP consisted of.

 

/salute

Cheers to all the Trolls out there, I'll give you a special snack for this. You've amused and made my day.

Edited July 11, 2012 by Vithalor

[Never_Hesitate]

If you don't like the system, form your own group and set a different loot system. If you can't be troubled to do that, you have to deal with random idiots and the need/greed loot system.

 

You chose the latter. You don't get to complain about the choice you made.

 

And just call them out on the forum (Server Thread) or in general chat.

[BobaTed]

Sadly, this issue has been plaguing MMO's for ages and this exact point was complained about way back in early closed Beta as well. It's really surprising to me that with so many players having so many creative idea's to solve the problem countless players have complained about in countless MMO's, why does it still persist?

This may sound cynical (probably because it is), but I suspect part of the reason is that designers want to, um, "encourage" people to rerun the same dungeons more often. It taps into a gambler's instinct. You see a tasty piece of loot drop, so you know it's winnable - but some else wins it instead. You may rant and rail about the unfairness of it all, but there's a good chance you'll rerun specifically to get that loot (or something equally good).

 

If I were a casino owner (or an MMO dev), I'd want to give high perception that "wins" happen while lowering the chance that people win what they actually want. Letting people win stuff that they can't actually use helps with the latter.

[BobaTed]

And just call them out on the forum (Server Thread) or in general chat.

Because that always works well.

[Suchin]

If you don't like the system, form your own group and set a different loot system. If you can't be troubled to do that, you have to deal with random idiots and the need/greed loot system.

 

You chose the latter. You don't get to complain about the choice you made.

 

Really? That's your solution? Don't try to do anything to change things or make them better for people, just suck it up?

[Suchin]

The only things you really need are air, water, food, and shelter. In that order. Everthing else is a want, and in the context of a video game everything is a want. Splitting hairs on a term that the MMO gaming system decided to use for their roll prioritization system is just being a douchebag.

 

Really MMOs should have adopted a Class/Role/Craft and Trade rolling system.

 

Class/Role/Craft - can only be selected if they are the appropriate class or have the appropriate tradeskill (and don't already know the pattern, if they do then they roll Trade for it). Higest priority roll and binds item.

Trade - this is the lowest priority roll for vendoring and selling in the GTN/AH/whatever. BoE items remain BoE.

 

Essentially that is what a certain other game actually finally implemented after 7 years. It still has flaws due to other features that they implemented or did as of my last played date.

 

Now here's an actual good idea.

[Never_Hesitate]

Because that always works well.

 

Not always but sometimes.

I think it's worth a try.

I never really had to deal with ninjalooters, but i see the problem.

[Suchin]

so long as you are all agreed the item in part of whole is in fact benefical, which is undeniable. You inability to spin this into some sort of smere campaign against the guy who won the Jedi Knight gear based on need roll and that players should only roll on items specific to their class in spite of the fact that certain items not for your class may be in part or whole better for you is ridiculous. Your perfect world DOES NOT EXIST, quit trying to make others live in it.

 

Dude, I was the healer in that group. The guy wasn't rolling need because he wanted the piece to turn in so he could get the one beneficial enhancement on it. (Which really, buddy, really? That's got to be the most convoluted way of justifying ninjaing loot from the proper class the token was meant for.) He rolled on it because he was mad no loot dropped for him during the course of the Flashpoint. I have a screenshot of him saying -exactly that-. So seriously? Knock off the white knighting.

Edited July 11, 2012 by Suchin

[Vithalor]

so long as you are all agreed the item in part of whole is in fact benefical, which is undeniable. You inability to spin this into some sort of smere campaign against the guy who won the Jedi Knight gear based on need roll and that players should only roll on items specific to their class in spite of the fact that certain items not for your class may be in part or whole better for you is ridiculous. Your perfect world DOES NOT EXIST, quit trying to make others live in it.

 

Posts like this are always fantastic. Fan-freaking-tastic.

 

Let me address the MAJOR thing in this post.... I'm NOT aiming for any kind of "perfect world". Period.

I saw a minor issue.

I expressed what I felt the issue was.

I offered up my hopes that perhaps Bioware will look into ways to make this issue LESS of an issue.

 

CLEARLY I am rabidly campaigning for a PERFECT WORLD!

 

/laughs.... Seriously?

/Gives another 'Happy Troll Treat'.

[BobaTed]

Not always but sometimes.

I think it's worth a try.

I never really had to deal with ninjalooters, but i see the problem.

I've only seen it work in small, low-turnover, closely-knit communities (like within guilds or on some low-pop servers). If those conditions don't apply, then I've only seen one of two things happen: 1) nothing; 2) the blacklister himself gets blacklisted (or flamed or /ignored or whatever).

[RandomXChance]

Interesting to read how some people tried to twist what the op was referring to in order to justify really poor looting etiquette. As the other person from the team said, it had nothing to do about the possibility of using one of the mods, it was the stated reason for the need, "I did not get anything, so I am going to need". I can't imagine that is defensible with any logic. It was crybaby childishness, nothing else. I ran SM EC the other day. Not a single item. No mat, no schematic, nothing. Made a joke about looking into my empty backpack and moved on. It happens.

 

Plenty of loot drops in the game. The system could use some refinements, but works fine 95%+ of the time. When you come across a tool like that, add to ignore list and move on. I play the game to have fun, not deal with that garbage.

 

As has been stated in so many other threads, a simple "mind if I need for comp/alt?" is all it takes.

[Ashu-ri]

Is master loot not an option in randoms?

[Ashu-ri]

regardless of the experience your statement that the Jedi Shadow would not benefit in any way, shape, or form is flat out INCORRECT. The Jedi Shadow can in FACT turn it in, and can also in fact stip the mods and put them into a light armor piece of gear as they cannot wear heavy. The token good for one jedi knight piece is factually benefical to the Jedi Shadow.

 

But the only beneficial peice would be the enhancement, or the color crystal if it was a weapon. Jedi Shadows use Willpower, not strength, so it has all the wrong stats.

[MasterKayote]

First and foremost, I think we can all agree that this was beyond words in terms of rudeness and just flat out unnecessary behaviour.

 

If this low life child was in Canderous Ordo, please send me a tell with his name, id like to put him on my ignore list immidiately, thanks.

 

P.S His friend too.

Edited July 11, 2012 by MasterKayote

[Saurakk]

The FP's seem to recognize the classes doing them and reward loot accordingly. My brother and I duo them all the time. All we see from bosses is my str gear and his wp gear.

 

It seems to me it would be simple to only have the NEED option come up if it matches your main (type of armor, and main stat). Its not perfect, but that would be the main people who would need it and use it.

 

Then have greed, disassemble and pass. Seems weird they do not have a pass option.

 

I do not even see the need for a companion option because that will simply be abused also. I can see it now, people now able to hit need anymore so default to companion over greed.

 

I have not seen one MMO that can police all loot issues fairly. In the end it comes down to the fingers clicking the keys on the other end of the screen.

[Saurakk]

Is master loot not an option in randoms?

 

Most boss gear in FP's is bind in pick up, not sure about the tokens though.

[Suchin]

If this low life child was in Canderous Ordo, please send me a tell with his name, id like to put him on my ignore list immidiately, thanks.

 

P.S His friend too.

 

Nah, you're safe. We're both from The Ebon Hawk.

[BobaTed]

Then have greed, disassemble and pass. Seems weird they do not have a pass option.

Maybe it's changed since I last ran a FP, but you used to be able to "Pass" by closing the need/greed box.

[Saurakk]

Maybe it's changed since I last ran a FP, but you used to be able to "Pass" by closing the need/greed box.

 

You know..I can honestly say I never tried to do that.

 

Literally not thinking outside of the box lol.