TrollBerzerker Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 This is just an opinion thread and it's far too late for Bioware to do anything anyway. Just getting that out of the way now. I've played through the Bounty Hunter storyline to 50, and now I'm working on my first agent. I've heard many people complain about Kaliyo and how they hate her (including another thread active right now about her), but I don't think she's a bad character. Quite the contrary, I think she's a very well-written character... she just doesn't make any sense for the agent. I had similar feelings about Mako while I was leveling my bounty hunter. She seemed too good-natured to be in the Bounty Hunting business. She had the ability within her to kill, sure, she showed that on occasion during the story, but she never appeared truly hard enough to take on the kind of lifestyle the bounty hunter character was leading. If you were trying to play a darker sort of hunter who cared only for the bounties and getting paid no matter how shady the job was, she complained at you. Then there was that one occasion after Act I where she seemed astonished because you were accused of killing everyone on that Republic cruiser. Uh, yeah, we did, Mako. The ones we didn't blast ourselves probably died when the ship blew up. We did that. Were you just not thinking about it? Personally, from looking at these two characters and how they behave, I think they should have been switched around. Mako is a genius slicer and mechanic who also happens to be able to hold a blaster decently well. Would she have not made the perfect companion to the agent? A person like her would be invaluable to an Intelligence organization, and a fantastic person to pair with a character like the agent, who is more of a combat and deception specialist. At the end of the day, she seems to want to help people, much like the agent seems to (even the dark-sided agents seem to have the interests of the Empire's people in mind). Additionally, as we learn later... Mako has connections to SI:S she isn't aware of initially. She already has one foot in the door of a spy thriller. Kaliyo meanwhile is a gruff and violent woman who wants to get into fights and make as many credits as possible while doing it. She's rude, hates authority, and sees the Empire as a means towards credits, much like the Bounty Hunter him/herself. She seems like she would take to the bounty hunting business like a duck to water, where she clashes quite badly with the lifestyle of the agent. I think that if these two had been swapped, there'd be a lot less upset agents around, and I highly doubt that Kaliyo would clash with any bounty hunter player's mindset when roleplaying their character. Even the light-sided ones would probably understand why she's there with you. All you'd need to do is switch around the roles of some of the other companions for both characters. For example, I think Blizz would have made more sense as a healer companion than a tanking one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorvusKaar Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I think Mako would have trouble with the "stick to the mission no matter what and keep your mouth shut" aspect of being an agent XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollBerzerker Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 I think Mako would have trouble with the "stick to the mission no matter what and keep your mouth shut" aspect of being an agent XD She'd be way better at it than Kaliyo. Afterall... From what I've heard, there's a point in her story where you learn she's been selling Imperial secrets to the Republic behind your back. There's literally 0 reason most agents wouldn't just shove her in the airlock at that point, unless they happen to be a Republic sympathizer themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorvusKaar Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I see your point but just because one of the characters is bad for the part doesn't automatically make the other option a good one. Besides, Mako fits really well with my LS BH (even though she has a lack of lenience when I point out to an idiot that he is an idiot...). Can't talk much about Kali since only started my IA yesterday but she seems to like my single-minded agent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bright_ephemera Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) She'd be way better at it than Kaliyo. Afterall... From what I've heard, there's a point in her story where you learn she's been selling Imperial secrets to the Republic behind your back. There's literally 0 reason most agents wouldn't just shove her in the airlock at that point, unless they happen to be a Republic sympathizer themselves. Actually, even a Republic sympathizer should be spacing her. She's selling secrets to terrorists for no reason other than to help them kill civilians - they mention targets such as spaceports. In any case, most classes get a couple of companions designed to challenge/clash with the obvious class concept. Knight gets it very late, Agent and BH get it very, very early. (As does the Smuggler, arguably.) I think there's some merit in that decision, even if I do wish that I could swap Corso and Tanno Vik. Edited July 3, 2012 by bright_ephemera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erei Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 She'd be way better at it than Kaliyo. Afterall... From what I've heard, there's a point in her story where you learn she's been selling Imperial secrets to the Republic behind your back. There's literally 0 reason most agents wouldn't just shove her in the airlock at that point, unless they happen to be a Republic sympathizer themselves. Anarchists. Not republic agents. And in the end, she choose you over them, that mean something. Mako is fine for the mandalorian character. She loves mandalore and the mandalorian rules. She is not all about being good or whatever. While kalyio is some kind of psycho, and Skadge is already the psycho. He is also completely dumb, but this is something else. Basically you have : Mako + torian : mandalorian BH Blizz : neutral Gault + Skadge : opportunist/thug Lokin + Temple : patriot IA Vector : idealist IA SCORPIO + Kalyio : opportunist/ruthless IA They all have a role in you crew. I think every crew of every class follow a similar pattern. This way you don't have a whole crew who hates you, or the contrary. If they remove Mako, I'll loose a mandalorian character for my crew, and my BH is mandalorian. Mostly LS. Even as a LS agent, I like Kalyio. I didn't like her for almost half the game, but she is nice once you are used to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollBerzerker Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 In any case, most classes get a couple of companions designed to challenge/clash with the obvious class concept. Knight gets it very late, Agent and BH get it very, very early. (As does the Smuggler, arguably.) I think there's some merit in that decision, even if I do wish that I could swap Corso and Tanno Vik. Oh I agree there's merit in the decision of having companions who clash with the class stereotype, I just don't think they should be the very first one you get. Also I agree Mako is fine for the BH, I just think she'd be better for the Agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pubsam Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Kaliyo fits great for really coldblooded Agents, even if they're Empire loyal. I even enjoyed her as a foil to my LS Operative. I think Mako would go terribly with the Agent. For one, are there any KEY differences between her and Ensign Temple, personality-wise? No. Mako would double the boring factor of the IA crew. Mako's character is also a bit anti-establishment, at least when it come to the Empire, which doesn't play well with the Agent's whole raison d'etre except perhaps by the end of Act III. And while Kaliyo's anti-establishment, unlike Mako she's certifiable, and you'd believe that she'd follow you around just because you let her shoot people. I can't imagine Mako having any reason to accompany an Agent unless they rewrote her past. I admit Mako seems weird unless paired with a really soft LS BH, like there are big moments of disconnect. But I feel like that's just bad writing, and otherwise her character could fit well. A bounty hunter can definitely use an ace slicer - I don't think you'd have tracked down any of your Great Hunt targets without her. I don't think you and Kaliyo would've made it past a cantina in Nar Shaddaa. Also I get the feeling that if Imperial Intelligence got their hands on Mako, they'd probably dissect her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RendValor Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 all you'd need to do is switch around the roles of some of the other companions for both characters. For example, i think blizz would have made more sense as a healer companion than a tanking one. You leave Blizz alone, are we clear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ras_Elased Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I personally don't like Mako because she is a MacGuffin. Indeed, imo, most of the 1st chapter isn't so interesting in particular because most of the story is moved forward by her deus ex machina intervention, since she always find some clue on the net for you. She feels more like a co-protagonis of your story than your companion and this is underlined by the fact that you cannot get rid of her untill Alderaan. Sometimes it even seems like the companion is you. By switching her role with kaliyo, the bh storyline would simply stop very early due to the lack of information. At the contrary, in the agent storyline, most of your progression comes from the information that you receive from the "Agency" and the choices you make are yours alone and the pressure imposed by your companion is lesser. Moreover, from a personality point of view, when you do something that Kaliyo doesn't approve you know that she could "potentilly" leave you there while, at the contrary, with Mako you are doomed to a future of costant ************ and reminding of the wrong things that you have done. Something that a bh should not experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nartiuslightlord Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Kaliyo and me aren't talking anymore after she called me a bad name for letting a certain someone go. she's on ship perma and will remain there until I run out of comps storys to see. I hate her so much...so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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