IGenesisI Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I disagree, most people know exactly what you mean by grass or snow. The real issue is with voidstar. A while ago I suggested that voidstar gates have a different colour to eliminate the whole left/right ambiguity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mawduce Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 there are no issues with grass and snow as most players can physically tell the difference. i have yet to see a cardinal direction on my map in that place to know what east and west are. i play both republic and empire. when im on my pub emp south becomes my north. it gets confusing that way. just call out what most people are using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kehtal Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 there are no issues with grass and snow as most players can physically tell the difference. i have yet to see a cardinal direction on my map in that place to know what east and west are. i play both republic and empire. when im on my pub emp south becomes my north. it gets confusing that way. just call out what most people are using. I just orient myself to my minimap. The top of the map is north, the left west, and the right is east. It doesn't matter how the enemy orients himself because the enemy's gate is always down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mawduce Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I just orient myself to my minimap. The top of the map is north, the left west, and the right is east. It doesn't matter how the enemy orients himself because the enemy's gate is always down. and when you play both sides, switching back and forth makes that difficult sometimes. but when someone calls a location by its physical look the confusion goes away. like in drill, for whatever reason, boots respond better to "families" and not "rows". no one knows why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kehtal Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 and when you play both sides, switching back and forth makes that difficult sometimes. but when someone calls a location by its physical look the confusion goes away. like in drill, for whatever reason, boots respond better to "families" and not "rows". no one knows why. I was just taking advantage of an opportunity to make the same Ender's Game reference that I made on the second or third page. What's really bad is when people call for one and mean the other and never correct it. Like the people who go "LEFT LEFT LEFT" when you're defending on Voidstar, so you dash out of the spawn and go left and there's just the same stealther guarding it that there was before. Then they plant on right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaipyr Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 and when you play both sides, switching back and forth makes that difficult sometimes. HOW?!?!??!?!?!? HOW THE HELL IS IT DIFFICULT? lol, that's what boggles my mind and causes all the "only idiots don't know east/west" remarks. Your minimap is a damned compass by god. Your arrow is the needle. The top is always north. Doesn't matter where you spawn! The top of the minimap is north for you! Doesn't matter if you start on the opposite side next game you still reference from the minimap and wherever the top of it is becomes north for your team. It's so bloody simple and does not require running up a ramp, looking over the side, seeing that "nope, no grass" and running back the other way because someone called "snow". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kehtal Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 HOW?!?!??!?!?!? HOW THE HELL IS IT DIFFICULT? lol, that's what boggles my mind and causes all the "only idiots don't know east/west" remarks. Your minimap is a damned compass by god. Your arrow is the needle. The top is always north. Doesn't matter where you spawn! The top of the minimap is north for you! Doesn't matter if you start on the opposite side next game you still reference from the minimap and wherever the top of it is becomes north for your team. It's so bloody simple and does not require running up a ramp, looking over the side, seeing that "nope, no grass" and running back the other way because someone called "snow". Jeez. After that thread about gear progression I was positive that I'd never agree with you on anything. Didn't last long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Brick Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I disagree, most people know exactly what you mean by grass or snow. The real issue is with voidstar. A while ago I suggested that voidstar gates have a different colour to eliminate the whole left/right ambiguity.^This^ If you want to eliminate something as a whole, eliminate "left/right". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KryptikX Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 It's so bloody simple and does not require running up a ramp, looking over the side, seeing that "nope, no grass" and running back the other way because someone called "snow". This is ultimately the problem. This isn't an issue of east/west or snow/grass being better, its that you don't know where you are. If you've played ACW more than twice you should know which way is which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesgile Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 and you dont even need to play acw to know which side is east/west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ras_Elased Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The points on the map actually have official names (hover your mouse over the turret icons on the top right of your screen). The turret east is called the Generator site and the one west Crash site. We would not be having this discussion if people were able to put their pointer over the map... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATango Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I just type out the compass shortened version along with number incoming. Such as E 3. Which means East, 3 incoming. While trying to stall players after being jumped the less time spent typing the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varicite Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 We would not be having this discussion if people were able to put their pointer over the map... We wouldn't be having this discussion if you had let this poor thread die... :c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olagaton Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 if you don't know what snow and grass are, then you certainly won't know what east/west is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varicite Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 if you don't know what snow and grass are, then you certainly won't know what east/west is. Except that most human beings are taught cardinal directions from an early age (from birth for some of us), while no one posting here played this game until a couple years ago and might pay attention to the map layout, but not the flowers growing next to the turret. From birth > a couple years ago. Not that any of the callouts are hard at all, but your logic is severely flawed. : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olagaton Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Except that most human beings are taught cardinal directions from an early age (from birth for some of us), while no one posting here played this game until a couple years ago and might pay attention to the map layout, but not the flowers growing next to the turret. From birth > a couple years ago. Not that any of the callouts are hard at all, but your logic is severely flawed. : ) Very few people learn east/west and use the terms on a daily basis, specifically outside of video games. However, the majority of people see Grass every single day leaving their homes or driving around town or going to school or work. Because of their constant familiarity with Grass, they know how to differentiate Grass from Snow very easily. East/West, in daily use, unlike in SWTOR, is a relative term. This adds to it's confusion above terms like Snow/Grass. Someone can live on the East Coast, but not be completely East, as there are entire continents that are further East than the "East Coast". Ever heard of the Middle East? If that's not confusing in and of itself, than I don't know what is. In SWTOR, when we call out for help, we essentially are labelling the Turret itself, not the direction, which is why we use Grass/Snow instead. If I'm at the East Turret with someone else, and I call East, the other person with me at East, based on the daily use I mentioned above, could very well think that the fight is East of the East Turret. This creates more confusion. Furthermore, if we are at West, and someone calls East, does it mean the East Turret, or a relative distance East of where we are currently? Additionally, if someone asks me where i live, I'm not going to say East. I'm going to say I live in America (or even the state). America is the area that surrounds my place of dwelling, just like Snow is the area that surrounds a specific turret. Yet another example of how daily use trumps east/west. Keep things simple -- stick to Snow/Grass. Even babies can differentiate Snow/Grass. East/West, not so much. I even asked my child to tell me which way was east and which was west. Afterwards, I showed him 2 pictures and asked him to tell me which was snow and which was grass. Can you guess which he answered quickest? Edited July 3, 2012 by olagaton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crystabel Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I like using grass and snow.I had never heard the term until the server transfers. We always used left & right. I am directionally challenged It's a running joke in our family that I get lost in the driveway. Big deal. I excel in many things in life-- direction sense is not one of them. Some people are great with direction, some aren't. Some minds work in a more creative capacity, some are better at spatial awareness- it takes all kinds. As long as someone calls out for help I'm happy that they are trying. It doesn't take too long to figure out where they are, and the more I play the maps the better I get at learning all of the terms and which node they apply to. When defending voidstar I typically call left/east or right/west so it covers both types of direction. But at the start of every game I confirm with my son that those are the correct ones. So what- I'm getting older, I've got lots of real life stuff on my mind, and I can't remember everything. You'll just have to put up with me because I plan to continue playing pvp even though I'm not perfect (like all of the forum posters are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varicite Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) I suppose. I'm old. And was a boy scout. And worked for a long time as a marine exchange operations watcher directing vessel traffic. I guess I should remember that cardinal directions aren't really that intrinsic, but most of us do learn these things in elementary school. I'll concede the point that people get rusty over time, and probably couldn't point you to where East and West is in real life. However, when you are looking at a map (and there is a mini-map featured on everyone's screen, and the cardinal directions NEVER change on it) it's pretty easy to tell that right is east and left is west. Did you ask your child to point to East on the map, or just arbitrarily find True East out in the real world? : P PS) If someone is unfamiliar w/ America and you say you live in California, they will look at you like you are speaking hieroglyphics. How do you describe it further? MOST of us would say that it's on the "west coast". Just like "Snow" and "Grass", "California" doesn't mean anything to someone who isn't already familiar w/ the situation at hand, in which case it probably doesn't matter what you are calling them (ie: Cali, SoCal, Cal, Calipornia, etc. You still know what I'm talking about. : ) Edited July 3, 2012 by Varicite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olagaton Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 However, when you are looking at a map (and there is a mini-map featured on everyone's screen, and the cardinal directions NEVER change on it) it's pretty easy to tell that right is east and left is west. With this statement, you just turned East/West into Right/Left, which depends on relativity. If I'm facing north, then yes, right is East, left is West. But when I take that speeder or start fighting someone all over the place, then I may not end up facing north, which means that right is no longer East, nor is left West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olagaton Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 PS) If someone is unfamiliar w/ America and you say you live in California, they will look at you like you are speaking hieroglyphics. How do you describe it further? MOST of us would say that it's on the "west coast". Just like "Snow" and "Grass", "California" doesn't mean anything to someone who isn't already familiar w/ the situation at hand, in which case it probably doesn't matter what you are calling them (ie: Cali, SoCal, Cal, Calipornia, etc. You still know what I'm talking about. : ) Would you tell someone to come west, or come to California, if you wanted them to visit you? If they live in Hawaii, going west would take them in the wrong direction of Cali. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varicite Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 With this statement, you just turned East/West into Right/Left, which depends on relativity. If I'm facing north, then yes, right is East, left is West. But when I take that speeder or start fighting someone all over the place, then I may not end up facing north, which means that right is no longer East, nor is left West. I'm not sure how to respond to this.. Shall I show you how to use a mini-map? <.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpsmash Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) Would you tell someone to come west, or come to California, if you wanted them to visit you? If they live in Hawaii, going west would take them in the wrong direction of Cali. Yes, but civil war is not so "open". You can't go more east than grass and you can't go more west than snow, so there's no ambiguity in that regard. I still think a lot of people don't know the cardinal directions and would be confused by east/west. Edited July 3, 2012 by lpsmash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGLYMRJ Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 372 replies to this? Wow.... can someone draw a giant L on my left hand and a big R on my right hand? And please explain to me what grass looks like! Is that the white stuff or the green stuff? This is all so confusing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olagaton Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I'm not sure how to respond to this.. Shall I show you how to use a mini-map? <.< Why use the mini-map when my main screen shows me everything I need to know, like Grass and Snow. In the case of Alderaan, more tools at our disposal (the mini-map) is a step backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varicite Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Would you tell someone to come west, or come to California, if you wanted them to visit you? If they live in Hawaii, going west would take them in the wrong direction of Cali. I didn't say anything about going west, I merely said that California was on the west coast. If they're in Hawaii, I obviously would not tell them to GO west to get to me. BTW, just because you are telling them to "come to California", that doesn't mean that the person TAKING them to California isn't relying very heavily on cardinal directions to get them there. They don't magically appear in Fresno all zim-zim-zalabim style. To travel, they're going to need directions. And either way, this is about a set map w/ finite borders and very easy to tell directions. So easy in fact that this thread's existence is competely silly, but I'm bored at work and waiting to go home for the holiday. : P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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