gbrecht Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Yes, I was bored. 16 weeks is what it will take the average casual pvper. Item costs(full set including one relic[implants/earpiece etc.]): 3475 - Weapon 3475 - Offhand 3200 - Chest 2425 - Head 2225 - Legs 2000 - Gloves 2000 - Boots 1425 - Earpiece 1425 - Implant 1425 - Implant 1425 - Relic 1425 - Belt 1250 - Bracers 27175 Ranked Warzone comms(minus a couple hundred regular) Assume the average player plays 4 warzones a day, 2 wins and 2 losses. 90 commendations from win, 40 from loss, 65 average. They complete the daily every day, and the weekly every week. 65/wz x 4 = 260 + 100(daily) = 360/3=120+100(daily)=220 ranked commendations/day (4wz + daily) 100 warzone and 100 ranked commendations per week = 133ranked/7days=19ranked per day from the weekly 220+19=239 x 7 = 1673 ranked warzone commendations per week 27175/1673=16.2 weeks 4 Months for a casual to get nearly best in slot pvp gear. To get actual best in slot for some classes requires purchasing other items and ripping out mods/enhancements which would further lengthen the time required to around 5 months. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helistin Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Doesn't make a difference right now to a lot of people if warhero gear is expensive or not. On dead servers you cant play any warzones so there's no way to get new pvp gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SajmanPeetee Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 The difference between full war hero and full battlemaster is neglible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valperion Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Yes, I was bored. 16 weeks is what it will take the average casual pvper. Item costs(full set including one relic[implants/earpiece etc.]): 3475 - Weapon 3475 - Offhand 3200 - Chest 2425 - Head 2225 - Legs 2000 - Gloves 2000 - Boots 1425 - Earpiece 1425 - Implant 1425 - Implant 1425 - Relic 1425 - Belt 1250 - Bracers 27175 Ranked Warzone comms(minus a couple hundred regular) Assume the average player plays 4 warzones a day, 2 wins and 2 losses. 90 commendations from win, 40 from loss, 65 average. They complete the daily every day, and the weekly every week. 65/wz x 4 = 260 + 100(daily) = 360/3=120+100(daily)=220 ranked commendations/day (4wz + daily) 100 warzone and 100 ranked commendations per week = 133ranked/7days=19ranked per day from the weekly 220+19=239 x 7 = 1673 ranked warzone commendations per week 27175/1673=16.2 weeks 4 Months for a casual to get nearly best in slot pvp gear. To get actual best in slot for some classes requires purchasing other items and ripping out mods/enhancements which would further lengthen the time required to around 5 months. Thoughts? Welcome to the only part of the game that has a "Grind" * If they made it "too easy" to attain the best gear in the game. * People would then just complain that attaining the gear was "too easy" * But then again, over half the people on my server have war hero augmented gear. * But then again that server died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anelitt Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Some good overview there OP. I think 4 months to get fully equiped in the current top tier gear seems reasoable. BUT your estimates are off imho, 40 coms for loosing and 90 for winning is the absolutely low end you took not the average. Loosing usually gives more like 40 - 100 coms and winning 80 - 140 Which would make the average mor like 90 Coms pr game rather then 65 cutting a few weeks from that estimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabaal Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) BUT your estimates are off imho, 40 coms for loosing and 90 for winning is the absolutely low end you took not the average. Loosing usually gives more like 40 - 100 coms and winning 80 - 140 Which would make the average mor like 90 Coms pr game rather then 65 cutting a few weeks from that estimate. Indeed, i'd go even further and say yours is too low also. For losing i usually get 60-90 odd and for winning 100-140. The OP also forgot to take into account that PvPers also have enough commendations to get one of the big war hero pieces as soon as they hit 50. Edited May 13, 2012 by Kabaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anelitt Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Thats true Kabaal, getting 40 is almost impossible, even when steamrolled by premade you usually can snatch some medal anways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overlord- Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) I think you are all forgetting that.... RANKED WARZONE GEAR was not meant for obtaining in normal warzones. They put a heavy grind on it for this reason. It was meant for ranked warzone incentive. But since they failed to bring out warzones they gave it to pvpers as a bone for not beinging out ranked warzones because they took more content away then was given out. Edited May 13, 2012 by Overlord- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzoong Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) The difference between full war hero and full battlemaster is neglible. You have no clue at all, nobody worth a grain of salt wears the sets as they come of the shelf, and optimized wh beats optimized bm gear big time, in addition to that certain classes need enhancements that (at least for the empire) are only present on wh gear. On top of that for some classes the wh gear has much better stat distribution (especially with the changes to bm gear in 1.2 that made it impossible to put non.bm mods in if you do not want to commit suicide). Edited May 13, 2012 by Bazzoong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadenuat Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) It's great. At least there is something to go for, something that makes you moving in PvP and do your dailes. I'm not interested in top-gear which you could get in a week. Edited May 13, 2012 by Shadenuat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveandDieinLA Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 You can't complete the daily every day if you are only doing 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmasterr Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 The difference between full war hero and full battlemaster is neglible. No its really not, the difference between fully customized War hero gear and stock BM, is bigger than full BM to Recruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangerascal Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 working as intended. And after those 4 months are over you can grind conqueror gear. PvP for fun and not for lootz, and you won't care about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyvaris Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 You can't complete the daily every day if you are only doing 4 games. Wins count as 2 "games played" for the daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vales Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) It's great. At least there is something to go for, something that makes you moving in PvP and do your dailes. I'm not interested in top-gear which you could get in a week. I guess just having fun to PvP and to win is not enough. /sigh No its really not, the difference between fully customized War hero gear and stock BM, is bigger than full BM to Recruit. How exactly? Could you give me a concrete example please? Edited May 13, 2012 by Vales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticRex Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Grind for 4 months and by that time you will have a whole new set that you need to regrind for lol. Keep paying $15 a month to chase a carrot on a stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveandDieinLA Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Wins count as 2 "games played" for the daily. lol i never noticed. Stupid me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfVey Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I like the grind. I like pvping anyway and pvp alot. I sat around in full BM gear for quite a while pre 1.2, with the mods changed out etc and it was kinda boring doing nothing with my comms except put more BM gear on companions that I probably won't ever even use. So now I have something to do with the comms again for a while, I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogmahone Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I run a full set of augmented BM gear and I still seem to be on par with those wearing War hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbrecht Posted May 14, 2012 Author Share Posted May 14, 2012 I think you are all forgetting that.... RANKED WARZONE GEAR was not meant for obtaining in normal warzones. They put a heavy grind on it for this reason. It was meant for ranked warzone incentive. But since they failed to bring out warzones they gave it to pvpers as a bone for not beinging out ranked warzones because they took more content away then was given out. Sad but true. If ranked warzones were out with cross server queuing(or more preferably server merges) it would be far easier to get gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cempa Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 The difference between full war hero and full battlemaster is neglible. lol... wait... lol.... DO you actually play? One piece or armor makes a clear difference. On my Sorcerer with each upgrade I notice a clear increase in power and survivability! You bring your full BM toon against my full WH Sorcerer and I will tank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayes Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Howcome some people don't get it? You have to EARN your gear. Like everything in life, the people who work hardest for something get more/better stuff. If you work a 40 hour/week job you expect to earn more than someone who works (the same job) 10 hours/week. If you PvP 40 hour/week you expect to get (just) 6 iLvl more than someone who PvP's just 10 hours/week. I'ts all to create a reward system for those who play more. Like stated earlier, the 10 expert. and the few stats you get from WH isn't game-breaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirakirakira Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) Probably grind for the first 2 months and get a few pieces then BW will bring out the Conqueror tier then you get given the whole set of War Hero in a few days Edited May 14, 2012 by kirakirakira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elaril Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 So the average casual player is completing all of their pvp dailies? I would have to disagree with your definition of casual I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartes Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 I PVP quite casually with some streaks of mad PvP evenings once or twice a week and I am getting average 1 piece per week (I mean main armor parts) so in the worst case scenario it would take me 13 weeks to get full set of WH gear. In reality I think it will go much much faster so my estimate is that it will take me about 4-5 weeks to fully gear myself. I was slacking a bit recently (alts + some pve stuff) but when I decided to gear up I got my first piece after friday PvP session and I almost have enough for second piece by now so 5 days for 2 pieces. True, cheapest ones (boots/gloves) but it goes fast enough to satisfy me. I do not play in premades tho my server (ToFN) has almost instant pops so it goes fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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