Lord_Karsk Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Warning caps lock. NO THERE IS NO RULE OF TWO. THAT IS WHY THERE IS MORE THEN 2 SITH IN THE MOVIES ALWAYS. BECAUSE GEORGE LUCAS DONT CARE ABOUT THE RULE OF TWO MADE IN SOME OF CANON BOOK. With that said the rule of two in the EU lore died after Sidious came to power.It is clear neither Plagueis or Sidious cared about the rule of two because after they came forword they both knew Banes rule of two had no meaning anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemmingLeader Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I'm just saying, the Rule as Bane set it up was pretty much dead by that time. How many weak(er) Sith Lords had killed their masters through duplicitous means, before they had surpassed them? Well, that sets up the original, dirty premise of the Sith. The strong will overcome. And if the Master is slain by his Apprentice, what does that say about the Master if he was technically more powerful? Being aware and on guard for potential threats is just as important as raw power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Smith Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Palpetine wanted to replace vader simply because he wasn't the apprentice he had wanted him to be, after mustafar vader became much less powerfull and less suitable for palpetine's purposes and thus had to be replaced. This was not the first time a apprentice of a sith lord under the rule of two was deemed not good enough and replaced by a better one Not wishing to start an argument, but rather ask a serious question... What canonical evidence is there that Vader was weaker after his first duel with Obi-Wan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Smith Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Me again. Isn't this Rule of Two idea a bit silly? I mean, it pretty much precludes any other Force sensitive being from joining the Sith, so they have to go and join the Jedi instead, thus increasing the ratio of Jedi to Sith to Umpteen to two? No wonder they vanished! The Sith have about as much interest in perpetuating themselves as the average panda! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Stocker Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 what gets me is, in episode VI, why does Vader just stand there and happily listen to the Emperor trying to turn luke? just letting himself be replaced, probably by death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velaran Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 what gets me is, in episode VI, why does Vader just stand there and happily listen to the Emperor trying to turn luke? just letting himself be replaced, probably by death. It's been pretty well established that Anakin was kind of a complete idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 what gets me is, in episode VI, why does Vader just stand there and happily listen to the Emperor trying to turn luke? just letting himself be replaced, probably by death. Conflicting issues? I mean its stated by Luke that he was conflicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ISDEnterprise Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I think Vader counted on Luke being on HIS side if he did turn to the Dark Side. So he was watching by idle and figured he'd help Luke defeat the Emperor when the time comes. I don't think he was literally waiting to be replaced. He didn't count on Luke overpowering him and made some miscalculations though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_mazzola Posted April 22, 2012 Author Share Posted April 22, 2012 I actually just found this passage in Chapter 7 of Darth Plagueis (super boring book so far!): Like Plagueis, Tenebrous [Plagueis' master] had obviously embraced the fact that Darth Bane's Rule of Two had expired. Precious few Sith Lords had honored it, in any case, and with good reason, as Plagueis saw it. The goalds of the Grand Plan were revenge and the reacquisition of galactic power. But while most Sith Lords since Bane had in their own fashion helped to weaken the Republic, their efforts had owed less to selflessness and allegiance to the Rule than to weakness and incompetence. Driven to discharge Bane's imperative they might have been, and yet each had fallen prey to individual foibles and eccentricities, and so had failed to exact revenge on the the [yes, "the" is repeated in the book lol] Jedi Order. Plagueis understood. He would never have been one to lay in wait or devote his reign merely to positioning a subsequent Sith Lord for success. Nor would he have been content to remain in Tenebrous's shadow as an apprentice had the Bith actually triumphed where others had failed." Now it sounds like the RoT was abandoned before Sidious even came into the picture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I'm just saying, the Rule as Bane set it up was pretty much dead by that time. How many weak(er) Sith Lords had killed their masters through duplicitous means, before they had surpassed them? Power isn't always strength my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonSM Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 I actually just found this passage in Chapter 7 of Darth Plagueis (super boring book so far!): Like Plagueis, Tenebrous [Plagueis' master] had obviously embraced the fact that Darth Bane's Rule of Two had expired. Precious few Sith Lords had honored it, in any case, and with good reason, as Plagueis saw it. The goalds of the Grand Plan were revenge and the reacquisition of galactic power. But while most Sith Lords since Bane had in their own fashion helped to weaken the Republic, their efforts had owed less to selflessness and allegiance to the Rule than to weakness and incompetence. Driven to discharge Bane's imperative they might have been, and yet each had fallen prey to individual foibles and eccentricities, and so had failed to exact revenge on the the [yes, "the" is repeated in the book lol] Jedi Order. Plagueis understood. He would never have been one to lay in wait or devote his reign merely to positioning a subsequent Sith Lord for success. Nor would he have been content to remain in Tenebrous's shadow as an apprentice had the Bith actually triumphed where others had failed." Now it sounds like the RoT was abandoned before Sidious even came into the picture! Like I said before, IMO the RoT pretty much ends at the creation of the Grand Plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
October Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Palpatine had been disappointed in Vader for quite some time. Vader hadn't lived up to his full potential, much cause of his defeat on Mustafar by Obi-Wan's blade. His prosthetics had limited his ability to properly use the Force. So yeh, he wanted Vader to be replaced, and who better than the Chosen One's own child? Plus, he wanted the same for Galen Marek. It's said that Galen was Sidious' equal on quite a few accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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