mcknightie Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Hello everyone! As stated in the post title i've been rather confused as to which of the 2 trees are best, and by best i mean for pvp. Pre 1.2 rage seemed to be the way to go, but now vengeance looks rather powerfull aswell. If i say that play style is unimportant to me, but rather the shear power to manage in wz's which of the 2 trees should i spec into? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropheus Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 i was rage spec before 1.2 and still rage spec after 1.2,didnt try vengeance but still i can do nice burst,doing good at 1.2 rage spec.Talking for pvp btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcknightie Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share Posted April 14, 2012 i was rage spec before 1.2 and still rage spec after 1.2,didnt try vengeance but still i can do nice burst,doing good at 1.2 rage spec.Talking for pvp btw. can you feel a notisesable drop in dps after 1.2 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwordofSodan Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 (edited) can you feel a notisesable drop in dps after 1.2 ?Not really. I went from vengeance to rage pre 1.2 and back to vengeance after 1.2 because of all the class nerf whining--then back to rage. Rage still seems to kick *** in pve/pvp in my opinion from my recent experience. Edited April 14, 2012 by SwordofSodan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exhya Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 i played rage spec a long time and i have to say i switched to vengence and now i realy like it the dps isn't hat bad ravage make a tons of dmg you only need to make a choise both spec are good rage just fcus more on aoe and vengence on singel target dps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokithevicious Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Rage is still viable, with that extra 3 second wait you could use Ravage. Though I would suggest running in Soresu form for the added defense. I've been playing an immortal/vengeance hybrid and while I'm more of a tank spec the damage is good, but the survivability is amazing! I think immortal/vengeance hybrids will be better overall especially I'm rated warzones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallucigenocide Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 pick a specc and run with it.. all 3 trees got different playstyles..and as if that is'nt enough we got hybrid builds aswell. meaning if you dont perfect one style you will most certainly not be able to perfect any other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vid-szhite Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 I was Vengeance in 1.1 and I'm still Vengeance in 1.2, because Vengeance is much better than it was before. Ravage spam is amazing when you can get it to work, and Vicious Throw puts out 4k+ on anyone below 30% health now. Vengeance is the single target killer spec, while Rage is the AoE healer-pressure spec - you generally get less kills with Rage than Vengeance, but Rage does a high amount of AoE DPS that forces healers to choose who gets to live and who gets to be finished off. Vengeance also has a lot of versatility, but as an aside, it's far less capable of running Soresu in combat because its combo chains require heavy Rage usage, and the drop from Shien Form to Soresu Form is a double whammy of bad rage generation and full rage spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_sancho Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) Quick Answer: Rage is still better for PvP if play style means nothing to you. Medal City in Soresu form, and easier to do unbelievably high damage than Vengeance. Long Answer: It's really the same as before 1.2: whether you like burst damage or consistant damage better. They're both perfectly fine for either PvP or PvE. You have to play them both and see which one you like best, really. I played one character to L50 in Vigilance/Vengeance and another in Rage to L50 before i could really make a proper judgment. I found that the main difference is that with Vengeance there's more margin for error than Rage. Rage, you have to get your rotations right or you'll die quick and without doing much damage. Get it right, and you'll be on close to full health with an army of dead people around you. Vengeance, on the other hand...that tough fight you just can't win? You may scrape through with Vengeance if you do it right, but with Rage you'll either be thrashed or easily destroy. Edited April 16, 2012 by i_am_sancho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskevosi Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Vengeance for me. The single damage output from this is just brilliant. I tried Rage, but Vengeance is the one for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoMbY Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) Yesterday I tried my Rage vs. Vengeance spec with Combat Log at a training dummy, and if I didn't do something very wrong, the DPS is very similar in both specs, with maybe up to 100 DPS in favor of Vengance. But then again, I like Vengeance more, because it seems to be more reliable. Edited April 15, 2012 by BoMbY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorkvid Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 After fairly extensive testing (ten 3-minute parses using MoX in each spec), vengeance is coming out on top by about 150-200dps on single targets. I can consistently hit 1150-1200 dps with venge, but rage has issues staying above 1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elyx Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 After fairly extensive testing (ten 3-minute parses using MoX in each spec), vengeance is coming out on top by about 150-200dps on single targets. I can consistently hit 1150-1200 dps with venge, but rage has issues staying above 1000 Very interesting data Dorkvid, and thanks a ton for the info. interestingly enough...the actualy parses I've seen to date are putting most the classes in the 1200 range. on test dummies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vid-szhite Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) Very interesting data Dorkvid, and thanks a ton for the info. interestingly enough...the actualy parses I've seen to date are putting most the classes in the 1200 range. on test dummies. Aye, I've been getting around 1200-1300 myself, but I'm using PvP gear on a PvE dummy, so I'm sure it will go higher once I get Columi and Rakata - the difference between Columi and Battlemaster is actually quite significant, even just two pieces that wouldn't give me a set bonus puts me ahead consistently by 50 DPS. My highest parse as Vengeance with my limited Columi was about 1377 with all class buffs + Exotech stim (no relic or adrenal), and again, that's in PvP gear - I forgot to even wear my Columi for that test. Yesterday I tried my Rage vs. Vengeance spec with Combat Log at a training dummy, and if I didn't do something very wrong, the DPS is very similar in both specs, with maybe up to 100 DPS in favor of Vengance. But then again, I like Vengeance more, because it seems to be more reliable. I'm actually glad to hear that both specs are viable in endgame. Hopefully the difference is just a matter of rotation and not a sign the devs went too far with the Rage nerf. Edited April 15, 2012 by Vid-szhite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorkvid Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Aye, I've been getting around 1200-1300 myself, but I'm using PvP gear on a PvE dummy, so I'm sure it will go higher once I get Columi and Rakata - the difference between Columi and Battlemaster is actually quite significant, even just two pieces that wouldn't give me a set bonus puts me ahead consistently by 50 DPS. My highest parse as Vengeance with my limited Columi was about 1377 with all class buffs + Exotech stim (no relic or adrenal), and again, that's in PvP gear - I forgot to even wear my Columi for that test. I'm actually glad to hear that both specs are viable in endgame. Hopefully the difference is just a matter of rotation and not a sign the devs went too far with the Rage nerf. All of my parses were self-buffed only with no stims/relics/adrenals. I could most likely top 1350-1400 across a 3 minute span with the rest of the buffs and other procs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordofdamornin Posted April 15, 2012 Share Posted April 15, 2012 Very interesting data Dorkvid, and thanks a ton for the info. interestingly enough...the actualy parses I've seen to date are putting most the classes in the 1200 range. on test dummies. This can't be true, because Bioware doesn't know what they are doing, they don't know how to balance, and their metrics are garbage. I mean, the community has said so, and always knows better, so it must be true! Right? Riôt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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