Srozziks Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 So I have played just about every class extensively (or at least to get a feel for the class) except for assassin/shadow. I never really enjoyed it from an early level (also never got down force management and rotations with this class) so I never really played it. I was wondering, what are your guys's opinion of the class? Is it worth me trying out again and around what level should I go to? Thank you for all the feedback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meeth Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 i love my darkness assassin (31/0/10) because it is the only class/spec i have come across that does well in both pve and pvp at 50. also, the inquisitor and our mirror class has versatility matched by no other. you can wait till lvl 10 before you have to decide whether you want to tank, heal, or dps; melee or ranged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otterscrubber Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 I really like this class. I like using lightsabers. I like using force lighting. I like stealth. it's like they took the funnest parts of the juggernaut, sorcerer and operative and rolled them all into one super fun awesome class: Assassin. Ya, i'm loving it. Oh yea, and I can tank if i need to. Everyone loves a decent tank! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphen Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 You are about to be one excessively angry dude if you played every class BUT the Assassin. Dude, totally play it, and then let me know your feedback on this class vs all others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faeldawn Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Now is a great time to play an assassin, specifically a Darkness assassin as they are probably the most powerful spec in pvp and a very competitive pve character. There is bound to be a nerf in the future for this class and, unfortunately, bioware will probably get it wrong and gimp the class completely for a while until they realise how bad the other specs are for warzone pvp. However, currently assassins/shadows escape 1.2 relatively untouched while some other classes are recieving significant changes and some pretty controversial nerfs and buffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nwalmaer Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 You might want to try an op or sniper. If you do play an assasin go Darkness as someone posted before. Deception has abilities that sound good but are actually worthless. Plus you will be force starved and waiting for 1:30sec for cooldowns. Do not believe post you see about deception. If you have a level 50 run some warzones. Find out who the assasins are and check there stats after the match. That will give the truth about the overall damage and how much they crit for. The class doesnt crit for 5k or do 300k in warzones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pretty_Flacko Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Idk man i play a 50 deception assassin and i compete fairly well in PVP.I actually do a lot better than ever assassin in my server except the ones who are madness spec because of the mass aoe damage. Yet in comparison the only thing they succeed over me is the total damage and that's because of AoE. I prefer 1 on 1 combat and being in stealth mode to pick out individual targets. I.E. going to cap a node in Civil War i can easily take out anyone with my element of surprised and great burst damage. That's my style of play and why i enjoy the class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srozziks Posted April 4, 2012 Author Share Posted April 4, 2012 When does the class start getting "exciting"? My last attempt at this class ended at level 16. How far should I play it to see if the assassin is for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deags Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) You might want to try an op or sniper. If you do play an assasin go Darkness as someone posted before. Deception has abilities that sound good but are actually worthless. Plus you will be force starved and waiting for 1:30sec for cooldowns. Do not believe post you see about deception. If you have a level 50 run some warzones. Find out who the assasins are and check there stats after the match. That will give the truth about the overall damage and how much they crit for. The class doesnt crit for 5k or do 300k in warzones. http://imageshack.us/f/715/screenshot2012032820525.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/f/62/screenshot2012031616534.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/f/29/screenshot2012031516590.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/f/195/screenshot2012031314511.jpg/ There now go away with this bs. Deceptions are fine, crap player will get owned playing one, but a good player will do fine, overall damage isn't everything, darkness specs don't kill off players any where near as much as decps do, you can't killoff/keep healers from healing others like a deception can. Only bad deception players say deception is worthless. Edited April 5, 2012 by deags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verfallen Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 http://imageshack.us/f/715/screenshot2012032820525.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/f/62/screenshot2012031616534.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/f/29/screenshot2012031516590.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/f/195/screenshot2012031314511.jpg/ There now go away with this bs. Deceptions are fine, crap player will get owned playing one, but a good player will do fine, overall damage isn't everything, darkness specs don't kill off players any where near as much as decps do, you can't killoff/keep healers from healing others like a deception can. Only bad deception players say deception is worthless. That. Darkness is great sure, but deception is just failed at, for some reason. At any rate, playing Assassin is a lot of fun. My assassin is level 46 and I'm leveling a shadow on another server, and at 16 I'm starting to see the effect of the self-heal better. You have to wait till mid-20s for Madness and Darkness to really pick up, however, something Deception with Exploit Weakness in tier one does better. (getting a 1800 damage crit at level 16 was fun) Overall very fun mobile and versatile class. Not as complex as the marauder priority-based rotation but not as stupidly easy than tracer missile spam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GekoKujo Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Deception is a great spec. 1v1 it is the best of the sin tree. Anyone that says otherwise is a news who can't play the spec well. I can top the charts in madness or decep, I admit it is easy itch madness. Qyou are not going to see any darkness spec winning top medals on my server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nwalmaer Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 When Im up against new 50's I post numbers like the ones in your images. Not to mention when Im guarded and healed. What servers are you guys on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrunkShizzle Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 from what i looked at no if you look at the term assassin,i dont think sw tor's assassin class fits the role.assassins dont use lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faeldawn Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 (edited) Deception is a great spec. 1v1 it is the best of the sin tree. Anyone that says otherwise is a news who can't play the spec well. I can top the charts in madness or decep, I admit it is easy itch madness. Qyou are not going to see any darkness spec winning top medals on my server. Your right of course, except when 1.2 lands and were all playing pre-mades in rated warzones assassins won't be able to wander off to find 1v1 fights, it's a waste of a group slot that could be filled with a far more effective warzone DPS class. Deception will not be as popular in rateds as Hybrid/Darkness, not in the top groups as they will have to get close to the main action and are too squishy to survive long enough to get that great burst DPS rocking. Also they have no utility while Darkness have it in abundance and can still dish out the damage far better in warzone situations and critically survive longer. Been playing a few pre-mades recently preparing for 1.2 and we lockdown DPS assassins and ops in seconds, they are neutralised and dead in under 10 seconds and long before they can start bursting or try and run away/vanish. With "target of target" in 1.2, this will be incredibly easy to do and assist trains will probably dominate pvp. I do think there is a place for Deception, but i don't see the top groups wasting a spot on a "pure" deception assassin when other specs and hybrids are currently so effective that could be far better utilised by a more effective warzone style DPS. Edited April 7, 2012 by Faeldawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaigen Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Deception is a great spec. 1v1 it is the best of the sin tree. Anyone that says otherwise is a news who can't play the spec well. I can top the charts in madness or decep, I admit it is easy itch madness. Qyou are not going to see any darkness spec winning top medals on my server. Im really skeptical with that statement since tanks and healers have a really massive advantage when it comes to medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtfnonamefree Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 (edited) http://imageshack.us/f/715/screenshot2012032820525.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/f/62/screenshot2012031616534.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/f/29/screenshot2012031516590.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/f/195/screenshot2012031314511.jpg/ There now go away with this bs. Deceptions are fine, crap player will get owned playing one, but a good player will do fine, overall damage isn't everything, darkness specs don't kill off players any where near as much as decps do, you can't killoff/keep healers from healing others like a deception can. Only bad deception players say deception is worthless. You, as a deception player should know better than to say deception would be fine. Darkness loses a tiny bit of burst (say from 5k shock crit to 4.3k shock crit) but gains so much utility, including protection ofc, a little more survivability and succeeds the deceptionists in sustained dmg as well. We can kill healers just as good as you. The ones, who don't go down in a 1v1, won't go down to you either. http://i.imgur.com/HEMeZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/x31lU.jpg Compared to darkness, deception is worthless. Edited April 7, 2012 by wtfnonamefree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordnortamos Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 I find deception does better in 1v1 fights but I also find that darkness is better for control. I'd say going after casters that can heal themselves darkness is better while going after anything else deception is a better pick. I haven't gotten to lvl 50 with my darkness sin yet but this is what I've found from doing warzones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrunkShizzle Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 (edited) ok so anyone have a really good deception assassin pvp video.cuz after watchin a couple on another webpage,im wondering if maybe im wrong on the fact they use force lightning alot cuz the videos i saw cuz i was bored and curious and looked some up.they didnt really use force lightning and deception spec actually looked kinda fun Edited April 8, 2012 by CrunkShizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verfallen Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 ok so anyone have a really good deception assassin pvp video.cuz after watchin a couple on another webpage,im wondering if maybe im wrong on the fact they use force lightning alot cuz the videos i saw cuz i was bored and curious and looked some up.they didnt really use force lightning and deception spec actually looked kinda fun Force Lightning (the 3 sec channel) has very little room in the Deception rotation. They are built over Thrash/Vicious Slash shock and surging charge's discharge. Also, Darkness while a hard hitter for a tank class remains a tank class, lacking the powerful internal damage on Surging charge's discharge, the much higher damage peak and the ability to sustain an high damage rotation for a while. Deception keeps the same level of CC abilities as Darkness, and 4 second stunned while a Deception assassin unleash its burst on you is VERY long. So no its not crap, and yes Darkness fits better the brawl style of Voidstar and Huttball. However, your game is not that brawl, unless you go in with a few friends. Also do not take every lamentation you read on the class forum at face value. I find many of them come not from a class issue, but from a difference between that class gameplay and what the player expected as gameplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyHalo Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Overall very fun mobile and versatile class. Not as complex as the marauder priority-based rotation but not as stupidly easy than tracer missile spam. It's close to tracer spam easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaigen Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 Force Lightning (the 3 sec channel) has very little room in the Deception rotation. They are built over Thrash/Vicious Slash shock and surging charge's discharge. Also, Darkness while a hard hitter for a tank class remains a tank class, lacking the powerful internal damage on Surging charge's discharge, the much higher damage peak and the ability to sustain an high damage rotation for a while. Deception keeps the same level of CC abilities as Darkness, and 4 second stunned while a Deception assassin unleash its burst on you is VERY long. So no its not crap, and yes Darkness fits better the brawl style of Voidstar and Huttball. However, your game is not that brawl, unless you go in with a few friends. Also do not take every lamentation you read on the class forum at face value. I find many of them come not from a class issue, but from a difference between that class gameplay and what the player expected as gameplay. Damage rotation is for pve not pvp. Burst damage is the key and darkness is better at this then deception by a long shot. last night i ticked 1.9 k of damage with a 3 stack HD. And your correct that deception has cc as well but the main advantage of darkness is 25% dr the ability to remove snares every 20 seconds , longer force shroud and of course force pull. In short deception is definitely weaker in pvp then darkness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toshman Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 assn fun to play. gets much easier at 40+ with tallos. deception is good for lvling that is about it. madness is fun and i find higher dps in pve and pvp. darkness is probably best though. either a hybrid or full darkness spec will be what is used come 1.2. pull is extremely important. some people just don't see that. people have a perceived notion that assn should play like a rouge from wow. so i find it refreshing that in darkness they don't at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deags Posted April 8, 2012 Share Posted April 8, 2012 (edited) You, as a deception player should know better than to say deception would be fine. Darkness loses a tiny bit of burst (say from 5k shock crit to 4.3k shock crit) but gains so much utility, including protection ofc, a little more survivability and succeeds the deceptionists in sustained dmg as well. We can kill healers just as good as you. The ones, who don't go down in a 1v1, won't go down to you either. http://i.imgur.com/HEMeZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/x31lU.jpg Compared to darkness, deception is worthless. lol your not getting it, just because darkness is OP doesn't make Deception UP, darkness is over performing which is why deception seems weak again i say Deception is fine it's at the level it should be, it's darkness that is the issue. Darkness is a tank spec they shouldn't be capable of any shape of form to deal great damage as they do. Also as i see in the 2nd screen shot Ito deals a lot of damage but no real kills, as i said before in this thread, darkness deal a lot of damage all over the place but they really don't take down targets the same as deception. Edited April 8, 2012 by deags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtfnonamefree Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Also as i see in the 2nd screen shot Ito deals a lot of damage but no real kills, as i said before in this thread, darkness deal a lot of damage all over the place but they really don't take down targets the same as deception. You say darkness is overperforming, but deception would still have something going for it? We agree on the first, but disagree on the latter. And seriously - how can you bring KBs from the scoreboard as an argument? It's just people tagged, nothing more. There is not a single reason to bring deception over darkness in the current state of affairs. That little more burst won't bring you anywhere. The plethora of utility while maintaining comparable output does. Strange situation I find myself in - trying to convince others that my class is op...maybe I should just keep silent from now on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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