Blurps Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I rolled a jugg... still leveling... in defense of the class it does have a higher skillcap than some of the other classes... It really doesn't. The class is just poorly designed in low levels and flat out sucks until the mid 30s. At 40+ things look a lot different though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caeelar Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Point is, a tank class has more burst then any dps class. You don't see sorcs or ops hitting for 5k+.. ever. Not even with full BM set. Tank classas have WAY more survivability then dps classes, and the trade off should be dps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drack Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Move out of the way .. its EASY to see this coming .. it requires 3-4 moves to build up the buff. Either Move or CC them / knock them back. Stop failing so much. What a bunch of BS. Your saying you can actually leep a jug from hitting you with smash, no, you cant. Do really hush up man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Vicente Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Point is, a tank class has more burst then any dps class. You don't see sorcs or ops hitting for 5k+.. ever. Not even with full BM set. Tank classas have WAY more survivability then dps classes, and the trade off should be dps. Juggernauts have 2 non-tank trees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caeelar Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Juggernauts have 2 non-tank trees But even in a non-tank tree, you have twice the mitigation of a dps class. Your gear provides that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclekaula Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) I'll probably go back to crappy vengeance if they nerf my smash to something lower than my vicious throw. How come this isnt in the patch notes? All I saw was a CD increase.... Edited March 18, 2012 by unclekaula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloveicarly Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 can do an 8k AOE with one move this is pitiful LOL l2p,and buy a 6 month swtor sub to help you practice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetril Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I used to smash for 8k damage too... Then I got cc'd in the knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDutch Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) can do an 8k AOE with one move this is pitiful actually it requires 3 moves Edited March 18, 2012 by BDutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickChaser Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 It was 6k a couple of days ago.hahahahahahaha this....... and tomorrow it will be 9k, i wonder who will be bold enough to say they got hit with the 10k smash that one shot them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhealThar Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 But even in a non-tank tree, you have twice the mitigation of a dps class. Your gear provides that. Actually if a jugg isn't sitting in soresu form, he's as squishy as an operative. Which is why they're buffing endure pain to give damage reduction next patch. also, just because an AC has the option to tank doesn't mean it's damage is going to be cut. 6k sweeps every 18-21 seconds isn't anything to write home about, Vengeance puts out far more sustained damage just no one cares because it isn't huge numbers on the screen. After that 6k, that is easily avoided if you pay attention, the Rage tree puts out terrible damage. I'm all for balancing the damage around the tree but then it just because vengeance with a very clunky feel to it. I think the real problem is AC's with a tank "stance" being able to put out good damage in that stance. Like Assault Specialist Vanguards, Kinetic Shadows and Focus Guardians. They could also move the damage to force scream/bladestorm and have 6-8k damage from that so it's not massive aoe pressure but then the tree would be garbage because Vengeance would be better in every way while offering more mobility and mitigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 See Jugg leap in after using choke/crush Press and hold W on keyboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iite Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 can do an 8k AOE with one move this is pitiful Hasn't hit that hard since the the buff stacking and surge nerfs. 2/10 troll rating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PVPWAR Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I am full champion geared and even with shockwave ticked to 4 and popping my relic I'm only at like 5k at most....in order to achieve an 8k crit you would probably need full bm gear blow ur relic, adrenals and even do all this against an undergeared target. On top of that you can interrupt smash incase you didn't know, I suggest you l2p before you start shouting out for nerfs. We are not overpowered by any means. OP you are the one that is disgusting. All of you Juggs are simply trying to protect the well known fact your class is OP. Name another class thats hit multiple targets for 5-8k. And yes it does hit for 8k. Juggs in heavy armor, guard(OP), taunt, smash and leapfrog. You will see the overloading of Juggs on RWZ teams. BTw dont worry BW is always a month behind. My guess is Juggs smash will get nerfed as well as Shadows burst before 1.2 hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iite Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 All of you Juggs are simply trying to protect the well known fact your class is OP. Name another class thats hit multiple targets for 5-8k. And yes it does hit for 8k. Juggs in heavy armor, guard(OP), taunt, smash and leapfrog. You will see the overloading of Juggs on RWZ teams. BTw dont worry BW is always a month behind. My guess is Juggs smash will get nerfed as well as Shadows burst before 1.2 hits Do you have any evidence of these massive crits post surge/adrenal nerf ? Posting a shred of evidence would go along way to making you not sound like such a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shule Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Guys please stop telling disinformatios. Im 71 valor - full battlemaster + all surge + power moded gear jugg My surge rating is 110 Bonus force dmg 750 With adrenal + battlemaster relic after full rotation : force charge - force crush - force push - force charg - SMASH ( 4 procs for smash dmg + 10% dmg after force charge ) i can hit light armor from 6-6,8k max , but i hit 6.8k only on lvl 50 light armor pug once in 10 day's. Hitting another battlemaster, even sorcerer will never be over 6-6.2k. So stop telling disinformatios, after surge nerf, juggs can't hit 8-9k like before. I personaly play as vengance even if i hit 500k+dmg in wz as rage. Some kind of dmg tank, but in pvp after 1.2 patch vengance will be bad choice because we can't guard healer in our dmg stance. Vengace now, has no purpose, can't do dmg and can't guard and do dmg at the same time, it will be best off tank for PvE but no use in pvp. Rage in otherhand after 1.2 buff will be killing machine. No rage problem, viciouse trow works now below 30%hp, self heal, root after oblitirate....Nice buff for rage spec! Edited March 18, 2012 by shule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foenixz Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Juggs haven't been able to hit 8k since the surge nerf. Also if you are waiting to stand there and take it GG to you. Rage Juggs are one a trick pony. Which is why I refuse to spec in to it. VS good players I may get off smash but most of the time I only hit one person. <------ Vengeance Juggs and love it. I do steady DPS in PvE do not get overwhelmed in PvP and I still kill people. Edited March 18, 2012 by Foenixz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sookster Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) can do an 8k AOE with one move this is pitiful And that's the only OP part of the class, and it isn't instant. Watch what they do next time you encounter and find out when it's about to happen and then next time you see it again you'll know when to kite or CC. BTW, 8K? Highest I've been able to do as rage was ~6K with 15% expertise adrenal popped but I'm not a fan of rage. Edited March 18, 2012 by Sookster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nonnolol Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 can do an 8k AOE with one move this is pitiful Incoming monumental Juggernaut nerf.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironleg Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 My smash is so nasty it knocked the mustache of Chuck Norris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironleg Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) Not really. I'm a tank. They don't hit for anything. A man can dream though. Edited March 18, 2012 by Ironleg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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