This type of stuff is ridicules, and tiresome to read, so basically the premise is...someone comes on the forums and post claiming they use the class they want nerfed, they state how they have been playing since the game was in itt's concept stages. Next, since they use the class for them to complain about it, it must be the truth because you wouldn't complain about your own class if it wasn't right? Then some bandwagon person like this poster here, comes on with some made up numbers to help validate the OP's claim of power. Enough is enough, ever damn day since 1.2 all we get to read is about sent/mara, it's not that serious they die like everyone else. They are not gods, and they too have a few anti classes that beat them easily. I honestly think the devs get it, you want them nerfed, so lets see what happens either they will or they won't . But these stupid threads need to be nerfed. 5k every hit crit with both swords, kills players by the hundreds, and shoots fireballs from their arses.

Cant use that as a go to for all, even i have had free days and decided to sit and finish the weekly in one day, and im talking when you needed wins to finish. Thats not free time is money and my time is valuble to me. But i can see the OP's question it's a fair question because before they gave you more for finishing it so why the change?

I have been on both sides of some of the most brutal losses ever, i mean its been times when it seemed like i was the only one on my team because as soon as i took a step i was killed. But that being said i'm getting some kills i don't care what the other team is doing i'm a get atleast one kill. So that being said, the fact that you didnt has 0 to do with BW and 100% to do with you and your team. L2KILL nothing to see here false alarm even.....smdh lol

you can half be sleep and partly drunk on a team thats getting rolled and get three medals, trust me i do it every saturday lol. Come home drunk from the club hop on and play and even if getting rolled you can get three easy, the comm situation aint half bad now that they took away needing wins for the daily and just made it attemps.

The op sounds like another class, just pretending to be a mara to cover up his nerf heard, because they are not gods, a well played sin will wipe the floor with one, a half way played pyro will, hell i saw two sents fighting one and not only did he hold them off he managed to kill one before his help came to kill the other. Enough with the mara sent threads, they buffed to non used tree's to make the rest viable so everyone wouldnt use the same one woopteedooo and to be honest most i fight still use the same tree and it was slightly nerfed this cry moar post are sad. Any class in heavy armor can kill a mara/sent as it should be it's rock paper scissors only bads and light armor fall victom, but i cant even say that because a tank/sin will wreck you.

thats nothing, they lose 400k, and gained millions from the over seas subs, also believe it or not americans are the only ones that cry alot on mmo forums and such. When i play Korean games they just adapt and move on, we Americans cry because we feel like we are privileged, true story. IE that korean game Aion for instance they nerfed some of the classes to crap imo, and also it was a grind to get pvp gear and yet all the Korean players were just rewriting handbooks and guilds how to **** face. On the american forums they were all threatening to quit, that game is still around btw, if we all unsub right now between the new countries and the brits that play bioware will be fine financially, starwars is a world wide franchise, thats why i lol when people threten to leave rather than adapt.

im just glad the devs take these nerf herd threads with a grain of salt, if the data doent support it they wont nerf it bottom line. I can attest with 100% accuracy i have never been hit with a 10k ravage even when i pvp'd in green gear, now that i have BM you dont even notice it. Hits no harder than when a pt sets you on fire and you cook to death.....

THIS..OMG i couldn't have said it better. I fear powertechs waaaaaaayyyy more. And well played scoundrel will burst a mara/sent ez save all there cd's up. Bad is just Bad

I agree with the OP, on some mmo's ive played rather than QQ, alot of the pvp base just started a dialect with the devs and met half way to fix what they needed. On hear it threaten to quit and QQ so no results are gained. I hate to say it, but pvpers are not needed to make a game thrive at all, i played ffxi for years and it was one of the best if not the very best pve game ever made, it had everything. And that being said it had like no pvp, it had a lol mini game type of pvp you could que up, but it was horrible. But the game had content apon content and was awesome for pve. Also more people are inclined to pve than pvp just a fact, most people just want to go on about there day do there quest and will spend years getting gear money and items and be totally happy in such. I go back to ffxi, it literally(NO EXAGGERATION) took years to get the top weapons and gear you actually had to have a strong guild and alot of sleep less nights, it used to have some content you could only access one a week for instance and you needed it for that gear lol. All that being said i pvp alot on this game, i honestly can live with any changes i dont care if a class i like gets nerfed or buffed it's all the same to me. I go fight i die some i win some i have a great time. And when i need to fill my balance fix, i just boot up battlefield 3 or madden.

I agree, i have played many mmo's and most suffer the same or worst during the launch cycle. What i do wish is that they would A.... stop letting those with out accounts post, and B.... make quitting faster so the ones that so called are leaving, would just slowly vanish, so those of us that have patients can actually go to the forums and get valuable info rather than every other post someone crying like they are 10 years old. I have seen not one but every single class in this game cried about and they wonder why 1.2 happened like that? Its because of the tears about every class. They cry about every damn thing, makes the forum experience terrible.

The risk versus reward is not in sync, for it to drain that much rage it should heal way more, your rage bar goes from full to zero in a few seconds, and it heals for like 300-400 hp per proc USLESS. For it to be so expensive it should heal for atleast 1000-2000 per proc, or if it stays the same it has to cost alot less or last a bit longer.

Dying is the same for me, i don't really see it.? I also dont try and fight the world alone, if i get spiked i die in seconds as it should be, if we fight it's last until one of us makes a mistake. People are crying just for the sake of crying lately. Guess i should cry some to make it fair, umm, i think it's OP how a BH cooked me to death with his elite flames, it has to be OP because i died. Many are unsubbing because of this lololol you have to mention the unsub after every cry, i noticed thats the formula.

These changes have turned me into what i hated the most a quitter as well, if i get off to a slow start, or we are getting owned to sit through that only to get 0 anything is a waste of time and effort. I never thought id quit a game, and before 1.2 i took some solids loses before and stuck it out, because atleast you got something worth the pounding to stick it out.

THIS..... They grew so accustomed to it that they thought it was the standard, it's one thing to out heal dps, it's another to out heal it indefinitely and seemingly never run dry of resources to do it. I'm glad for the change, i hate mmo's where the healer can bury whole teams or just be demi gods immortals. We fight they heal, kite around some heal some more, and laugh as the melee really had a tough go to even compete AION come to mind, clerics in high magic defense gear were nigh killable. This is a team based game, get on a team and rapeface that way, good healers adapt, the bad ones will reroll or unsub, either way it will make pvp better. I cant count the number of times i'm fighting someone and one of my healers comes into the battle, and rather than heal me up they join in the dps and depending how the fight was going potentially watching me die so they can get a kill. Infact it happened just today in void star i was 40% when the 1v1 started so when i saw my healer im thinking cool im saved, so he kindly threw a few moves in and the commando finished me off before he eventually died.

Out of like 10 matches i only won one, but i got credits on all of them, i also had 4+ medals on each so that must be the key more medals. And it could be a bug as well

Perhaps they should last the same, perhaps the jedi/sith should also be able to mind trick you into thinking a tracer missile is shooting out of there arses er sabers? Like the one guy said they are not mirrors so frankly it's doesn't matter what they do or how long it last in comparison.

SO, been a 50 jugg for a while, pvp gear so on and so forth, and due to all the hype and crying surrounding mara's and sents, i decided to roll one for kicks. Although it's only a youngling lvl 24. I for some reason remember having more fun on jugg at that stage of the game. So my question is does this class just blossom late and i just need to endure it until then? I'm surprised just how much i miss force push, and the good old jump push jump combo.

Has anyone noticed how some of the npc melee elites, have some of the best looking and effective moves in the game that would be awesome for the players to have? For example, the padawan during the BT mission, that move where she does like a double force charge. Or my new favorite, the mining ship boss during the jedi sent/gaurdian class mission, this dude is totally bad ***, he has a aoe knock back that blows you on your but like 15-20 meters and a 10sec charge up move thats hella damage. Why don't the players get similar things? Allthough powerful, why a 10sec move isn't OP is if someone sits back and lets you get that off, they deserve to get hit with it. But when you do get it off it would be so rewarding i bet? And that double force charge move i have seen a few of them do is just pro, and to me would make sense out of it all. Basically would be a talented skill that add one extra target with in say 5-8 meters of the initial target.

They probably lied/hyped it up complaining to get them introuble. That makes no sense, on a open world pvp server no less, the enemy should have the right to deny each other from stuff thats whats fun about a pvp server, and open world pvp.

You obviously havent really played one, it's easy to shoot ppl, shock ppl and get up on the leader boards, but mara/sent has alot more cd management and other factors through out the wz to worry about sorry. Even more than jugg surprisingly...

hahahahahahaha this....... and tomorrow it will be 9k, i wonder who will be bold enough to say they got hit with the 10k smash that one shot them?

When i read these 1v1 post i want to throw up, this game is ballanced around 50 and around team based pvp, i can count on one hand in the months i have been playing this game, how many 1v1 fights i have had 3 if im lucky? It starts off 1v1, than the help comes weather it be my help or there help, but someone gets ganked in the end. So frankly who gives a rats butt about someones 1v1 prowess? what do you bring to the team. Sorcs bring bubbles and heals, CC, back up dps and utility to the team, very good team player. It appears all the selfish sorcs will reroll, the ones that sat and watched you die rather than toss a heal or two, the ones who run right past you and didnt toss you a bubble, or see you dieing from a dot and didn't attempt to cleanse you. The ones who just want to come to the forums and boast how they just got 400k damage and killed 50 fighters solo, all while eating bon bons and reading the stock report lol.

ALL that doom in your post and id still rather have a sorc than a sniper, sorcs wont be the worst class, even still it's all opinion based who is best who is worst. Since sorcs are the most commonly used atm i guess they are the best right now right? And since i dont see many snipers i guess they are the worst? See how opinion based that claim is? I also didn't read where they nerfed the bubble? All this crying and all these stupid post over a few changes to the tree? lol

So they nerfed sorcs healing? i didn't read that sorry.. What i did read is that sorcs will have to l2p a little more and it wont be so easy to pick up go hybrid and face roll. Much needed change, you can't just pick up a melee and sit on top of mount olympus in one sitting you have to actually learn the toon a little. After the sky falls, those with skill will continue to thrive and those baddies who only did ok because of the slightly imba style of play afforded them with continue to yell doom. And to be honest i know a few guildies or dont even use the hybrid spec and are pretty good at pvp so meh. I like the patch lol, also a side note if rage spec was someones intention id still roll juggy for that, rage on mara will be ok but jugg has way more options in wz. Especially the ability to go defensive and get those medals too, all in the same battle.

Actually the midget would equal the green stat stick holding rock throwers, but when your lightning guy fought a real melee, he was on the ground crying like a girl to not be killed with a purple light saber damn near down his throat lol...just saying. And to the topic at hand melee needed some type of buff, i don't think many jedi would die to tracer missile spam? well i don't think you could even carry more than one lol just saying again...