Asphen Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 *Random delvs - Do not close my thread* *Random delvs - Do not close my thread* *Random delvs - Do not close my thread* *This is an important topic to me, and makes the difference between tons of my play hours. It is about a topic not discussed anywhere else* If there is new content coming out, don't make Dual Wielders invest twice the time as every other class. Please, and thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnopsnosn Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 You already pay double for everything LS-related so why are you complaining about vanity items now? I mean yes, I will buy myself a white crystal because I think it looks awesome.But you already get +41-crystals for doing Kaon-HM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpixie Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Umm... I fail to see why you are paying 'double' - other classes need the shield generator or focus item in their offhand, or agents/smugglers need their knife. There aren't any classes paying double for fixed gear. If you so choose to modify that gear, the only difference would be color crystals, as generators, focus, knifes etc. don't have such slot, but I don't think that is an unreasonable price for the visuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnopsnosn Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 He's specifically talking about the white +41-crystal which costs 2,5mil per piece... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpixie Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Ahhh... Still dont see it as being unreasonable considering, as mentioned, it's a vanity item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajikMyst Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I think they should give some sort of discount to dual wielders.. If not then some other benefit somewhere else.. We already have to buy twice the mods for weapons.. There really should be a kick back somewhere to off set this additional expense that only dual wielders have.. Maybe just some mulitplier that give dual wielders more credits out of boxes or something.. Perhaps just a racial that could be like +2 to all stats or something.. We don't do double the damage.. We shouldn't pay double the expense.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajikMyst Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) Ahhh... Still dont see it as being unreasonable considering, as mentioned, it's a vanity item. It is unreasonable because it isn't just crystals.. It is all mods.. Barrels or Hilts, mods, and enhancements.. Dual wielders have to upgrade two weapons as opposed to 1.. Off hands are dirt cheap by comparison.. Like I said in my last post.. There are other options besides giving dual wielders a discount.. But they should do something to offset that additional expense that other classes do not have.. Even if it is just a stat increase somewhere.. Edited March 1, 2012 by MajikMyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxxr Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 OP does have a point.2 of the classes on each side have to pay 5 million for the same vanity effect all others have to pay only 2.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnoldlol Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Your kickback is the fact that you DUAL WIELD LIGHT SABERS. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajikMyst Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Your kickback is the fact that you DUAL WIELD LIGHT SABERS. /thread So?? Your point?? What about a smuggler or an Agent?? Do they dual wield light sabers?? That is not a kick back.. Just saying.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amnie Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 So?? Your point?? What about a smuggler or an Agent?? Do they dual wield light sabers?? That is not a kick back.. Just saying.. yeah, what about smuggler or agent? really, the effect a colour crystal has is far less epic on a gun than it is on a light saber. I doubt I'll buy a white/magenta/whatever crystal for my shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigRogers Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 OP does have a point. 2 of the classes on each side have to pay 5 million for the same vanity effect all others have to pay only 2.5. Fix for this, make the vendor white crystal unique. That way it keeps everything fair and if they do want a 2nd for double white them they can get a 2nd when they add them for Artifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilWarrior Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Umm.... there are other +41 expertise crystals that AREN'T 2.5 million. Buy those? Or go get drops from the new Flashpoint/Ops in 1.2? Who is making you spend credits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aram_Darksun Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) You don't have to invest twice as much. There are 14 slots and most classes have to put something in the offhand slot anyway so the only time you will need to invest any more time is the mods for a custom off hand saber. Big deal. Keep in mind you also get the slot to further customize your stats. I'll take that any day but then, maybe I am an abberation but I consider gearing out a kind of mini game in of itself. The 2.5 mil crystals are not a baseline and you can easily get by on a 30 - 100k crystal. My main is a marauder btw. Edited March 1, 2012 by Aram_Darksun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Rezo Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I would pay double of what i pay now to be able to have a second lightsaber and mod it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArSo Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 OP does have a point. 2 of the classes on each side have to pay 5 million for the same vanity effect all others have to pay only 2.5. Wrong You pay 5 million to have DOUBLE the vanity effect others have You also have different colors which is not possible for others. Stop whining and start farming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajikMyst Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) yeah, what about smuggler or agent? really, the effect a colour crystal has is far less epic on a gun than it is on a light saber. I doubt I'll buy a white/magenta/whatever crystal for my shooter Your missing hte point of the OP though.. Why should a dual wielder pay twice as much as everyone else for weapon upgrades?? White crystal aside and the effect on a blaster are irrelevent.. We don't have a cheap off hand.. We have a 2nd weapons.. That also must be upgraded.. The over all issue is that dual wielders have an additional expense that other characters do not.. That is the over all issue.. Not what effect it will have on a blaster.. Now if they made offhands in a modable form.. That would be differernt.. Can you imagine spending 22k or so on energy cell type thing, and then an addiotnal 20k or so for a mod and another 10k or so for an enhancement?? Or using 11 commendations?? Dual wielders do that twice.. Accept we buy barrels or hilts.. I figure that a focus, generator, or shield would use an energy cell.. How about orange quality scatter guns?? Edited March 1, 2012 by MajikMyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwrtheyn Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 all the way to 50 dual wielder can use 2 orange weapons,where everyone else has to look for new ones(vibroknife not even caftable). seems only fair 1 advantage turns later to the oposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieM Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) OP does have a point. 2 of the classes on each side have to pay 5 million for the same vanity effect all others have to pay only 2.5. This whole argument is ridiculous - have you seen the disparity in stat values for an OH weapon compared to a shield generator or vibroknife. I'm sorry but you choose to wield 2 sabers - that is a choice. It only seems logical that if you want two sabers (and you want them equally geared) you pay for two lightsaber crystals. Those crystals are not vanity items they will impact on your performance against PvE and other players, therefore it is only right that you should pay for that added advantage. OP's post is just trolling. Edited March 1, 2012 by JamieM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyotecalls Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Your missing hte point of the OP though.. Why should a dual wielder pay twice as much as everyone else for weapon upgrades?? No, you are missing the point. You are paying for weapon upgrades twice because you are GETTING weapon upgrades twice! Some ACs get a shield gen or something that gives them a little extra willpower in their offhand. You have a MODABLE WEAPON that gives you a MASSIVE DPS BOOST. Think of it like this, if you buy a car and then you go out and buy a second car are you going to go to the gas station and say "I want to fill up one car with gas and have the other filled for free!" No, you're not. You are either going to pay for the gas to fuel both cars or you will drive one car and the other car will sit there doing nothing useful. Get over your entitlement issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferroz Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 We already have to buy twice the mods for weapons.. There really should be a kick back somewhere to off set this additional expense that only dual wielders have.. It's the price you pay for having a moddable offhand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remulan Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 OH weapons purchased via pvp or raid commendations cost the exact same amount as OH items that are not weapons. Your whine thread can now be closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardacly Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 It's the price you pay for having a moddable offhand. Are you all serius talking like this?. My gunslinger do the same damage than a sniper with the same gear but i need to expend a lot more gearing my second pistol instead that a vibroknife. 2h and 1h weapons at pvp vendors on republic/imperial fleets cost the same amount, if for example a sniper want to buy the lvl 34 pvp weapon they only need 580 commendations, but my gunslinger needs 1160 (and also need to remove all the mods from one and pass they to a orange offhand pistol because the are mainhand only), ***? you ppl see that normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphen Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 Double bladed staffs do all the damage of BOTH my lightsabers, AND they a shield generator on top of that. The 2nd lightsaber only deals 30% damage, with a 57% accuracy. They greater damage on the double bladed saber is a far better choice. Please add shield generation to my 2nd saber. The Dual wielders are getting any more advantage, yet are still being forced to pay twice as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furyofwar Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 No, you are missing the point. You are paying for weapon upgrades twice because you are GETTING weapon upgrades twice! Some ACs get a shield gen or something that gives them a little extra willpower in their offhand. You have a MODABLE WEAPON that gives you a MASSIVE DPS BOOST. Think of it like this, if you buy a car and then you go out and buy a second car are you going to go to the gas station and say "I want to fill up one car with gas and have the other filled for free!" No, you're not. You are either going to pay for the gas to fuel both cars or you will drive one car and the other car will sit there doing nothing useful. Get over your entitlement issues. Eh? How is dual wielding a massive damage boost have you seen the damage output on secondary weapons? its like 2/10th of the main weapon if that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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