lijahrobinson Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Please don't reply to this thread if you don't know the difference between "total damage in the WZ due to AoEs which don't kill anyone" and "DPS" (Damage Per Second). kthx. p.s. that guy LOST HIS WARZONE doing that. Thanks for agreeing that DPS is too low. You got me, I bow down to your logic. Edited February 24, 2012 by lijahrobinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidank Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Wonder when anyone gonna catch on to the hint of sarcasme, from OP EDIT: Or am i only one who detect that signature link thread suggest the OP is simply tired of whine rants going on endlessly through several post, everytime no solid arguements can be made in favor of a nerf, people just make a new and bump it for attention, hoping nobody will defend with arguements against the nerf, or hoping majority of spam threads, will built a stronger case. I think OP meant to be sarcastic and simply make a thread opposite to the others, to make a parody on this trend for nerf whinning. Thought that at first, but now i'm pretty sure he's just angry about nerf threads because they're generally about sorcerers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaodon Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 I think OP meant to be sarcastic and simply make a thread opposite to the others, to make a parody on this trend for nerf whining. There is hope for human kind after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teabaker Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Youre probably full Balance or full Telekinetics. The only good Specc for Sages is Hybrid. Balance and Tele is **** overall :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatIrishLad Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 xD http://www.gifbin.com/f/981351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaodon Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 Youre probably full Balance or full Telekinetics. The only good Specc for Sages is Hybrid. Balance and Tele is **** overall :s Thanks for agreeing that the DPS (again, stands for Damage Per Second) is weak on Sage/Sorc and needs buffing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolveroach Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Well hell, while we are at it let's buff the Arsenal tree BH to allow mobility while hitting you with a dozen tracer missles. I mean, everyone knows how to kill a Arsenal BH is to stun lock em and interupt so at least with mobility I can try to run away while Tracer Missle-ing you to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaosmagistrate Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 I agree that Sorcs/Sage DPS can be extrmely high played by competent players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaodon Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 Well hell, while we are at it let's buff the Arsenal tree BH to allow mobility while hitting you with a dozen tracer missles. I mean, everyone knows how to kill a Arsenal BH is to stun lock em and interupt so at least with mobility I can try to run away while Tracer Missle-ing you to death. Are you crazy? Their DPS is already high! We only need to buff Sorc/Sages. Their DPS is low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamHDMI Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 You've clearly never tried playing a Sentinel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daghey Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Thanks for agreeing that the DPS (again, stands for Damage Per Second) is weak on Sage/Sorc and needs buffing. You're playing the class all wrong. You should be in melee range swinging your light saber, not putting on a light show at an Avicii concert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolveroach Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 A-BH dps is only high when not being stun locked/interupted. I mean if your never-get-killed Sorc/Sage needs more DPS and still never dies, my BH should be able to use my DPS on the move right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaodon Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 You've clearly never tried playing a Sentinel... My Sentinel is only level 22, but I have done WZs since 10. He is a lot of fun. If I don't get focussed, I mess people up! A lot better DPS than my Sage. A LOT better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaodon Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 A-BH dps is only high when not being stun locked/interupted. I mean if your never-get-killed Sorc/Sage needs more DPS and still never dies, my BH should be able to use my DPS on the move right? Since I die all the time, I guess you don't get your DPS on the move. So sorry. Myth: sorc/sages never die. Truth: if you can't kill them, its you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organikal Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 That lowers your DPS even further. Thanks for agreeing that Sage/Sorc DPS needs a buff. I'm still not sure if you are trolling. If you are, IF you are... you need to find a new game to play. The sorc is fine, the sage is fine, their damage is more than fine, their unlimited tools are fine, their bubble is OP, their utility in all three warzones are fine (and godlike in Huttball). You need to learn that you are very much a utility class and not a Turret like the Merc/Commando Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaodon Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 I'm still not sure if you are trolling. If you are, IF you are... you need to find a new game to play. The sorc is fine, the sage is fine, their damage is more than fine, their unlimited tools are fine, their bubble is OP, their utility in all three warzones are fine (and godlike in Huttball). You need to learn that you are very much a utility class and not a Turret like the Merc/Commando Utility cannot take a turret. Utility cannot plant a bomb. Only "killing the defender" can accomplish that. Utility allows us to actually affect the score in only 1 warzone: Huttball. And even then, utiliy isn't all that great at defending against most ball carriers (they have leap, their own stuns, knockbacks, etc. Using utility to defend rarely works in lvl 50 Huttball.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalFinality Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Utility cannot take a turret. Utility cannot plant a bomb. Only "killing the defender" can accomplish that. Utility allows us to actually affect the score in only 1 warzone: Huttball. And even then, utiliy isn't all that great at defending against most ball carriers (they have leap, their own stuns, knockbacks, etc. Using utility to defend rarely works in lvl 50 Huttball.) Actually, utility can plant a bomb and take a turret without killing the defender. It's called CC. Edited February 24, 2012 by EternalFinality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewMystery Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 I Roll sage and i am quite content, as long as i keep my DoTS up and my sheild up while not on CD i have plenty of abilitys at lvl 20 to keep me at range why still pulling very good dps with all the possible cc we have we can also throw in critical heals to turn the fight i rarely die and when i do its normally me doing something i shoulded getting mixed up into 3+ hostiles even at that point i can usally pop my movement freeing ability and my sprint to get out of LOS or back to my allies. But i like these threads makes for less chance of getting nerfed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaodon Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) Actually, utility can plant a bomb and take a turret. It's called CC. False. You have 2 CCs you can use to CHANNEL a turret or bomb cap (i.e. you can't be interrupted): Stun Force Lift Lets analyze: If I stun, they get a partial Resolve bar. It does not last long enough to CHANNEL a cap, so I will be interrupted. If I Force Lift, its long enough, BUT it gives a FULL resolve bar. If they CC break, I cannot stun, therefore I cannot channel. So, the ONLY WAY for a Sorc/Sage to cap a turret/bomb, is to Stun, and the target must MAKE A MISTAKE AND CC BREAK THAT STUN, so that we can then Force Lift and cap. Edited February 24, 2012 by Zaodon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruuprect Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 I dont think they need a buff, what your are seeing is they have less burst then other classes. I think they have great sustained dps. http://www.simulationcraft.org/swtor/113/Sage_Sorcerer_113.html Open the Hybrid spec and look at the sustained dps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcgregorya Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 They need to be able to tank. Taunt, AOE taunt, better defensive CD's and a stance that imrpoves their mitigation. It's crap that I have to reroll to fulfill a basic role in this agme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaodon Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 I dont think they need a buff, what your are seeing is they have less burst then other classes. I think they have great sustained dps. http://www.simulationcraft.org/swtor/113/Sage_Sorcerer_113.html Open the Hybrid spec and look at the sustained dps. Useless link, as it doesn't show any other classes for comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalFinality Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) If I Force Lift, its long enough, BUT it gives a FULL resolve bar. If they CC break, I cannot stun, therefore I cannot channel. If they don't CC break, you're good. It's not always up you know. All you need to do is stun them then start capping. Most people will use their break assuming you know something they don't, like someone else is nearby. Edited February 24, 2012 by EternalFinality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaodon Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 (edited) If they don't CC break, you're good. It's not always up you know. All you need to do is stun them then start capping. Most people will use their break assuming you know something they don't, like someone else is nearby. To counter your point, my stun/force lift is not always up either. So, its a wash. My point remains uncontested: you cannot use CC to cap, since it only works if you use both CCs in succession, and the other player makes an error. Edited February 24, 2012 by Zaodon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruuprect Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Useless link, as it doesn't show any other classes for comparison. Wasnt for comparison. Just showing you that they have good sustained dps with very little burst. I am willing to bet that most other classes sould have many more ups and downs because they have more burst and less sustained. But it all equals out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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