So Tired Of Pretending...

[Paxmendacium]

This game killed WoW for me when it was announced. I canceled my WoW sub when I watched the "deceived" trailer. I should have bought the damn collector's edition *** was I thinking...

[WFord]

I'm 21 days into a 60 day game card. My problem is two-fold.

 

First, the game play is soooo repetitive. Go here, kill these, figure out the best use of your abilities and them spam them in the same order. While a few of the stories are interesting and have held my interest (I'm really enjoying the story for my Sith Sorcerer), it doesn't cover up the ungodly boredom I feel. I want to get to 50 to finish the stories, but the thought of logging in is getting more and more distasteful. For a game that so many are touting as a possible WoW killer, it seems an awful lot like a WoW clone - WoW with a Star Wars skin. 100% voice acting doesn't make up for that. Soooooo bored!

 

Second, how twisted a view of the military to the developers have that on the light side, it seems like 2/3 of the missions involve catching the military doing bad things? Or helping whining refugees. Or (and this one really, really pisses me off) finding supplies that were stolen from the military and getting dark side points for returning them to the military rather than turning them over to civilians who "need them more". It seems like most of the light side's side missions either make you suck up to a lot of whining people sitting on their butts waiting for someone else to help them or you're rooting out corruption in the good guy's army. Both are equally noble in small doses. When that's all you're doing, over and over and over again, it's just too much.

 

Maybe I'm looking for more - maybe I'm just getting older. Either way, I paid for a 60 day game card to test it out. I've been eagerly awaiting this one since it was announced. I strongly doubt that I'll renew.

Edited February 24, 2012 by WFord

[SNEAKYSIX]

As a proud owner of a new PC I bought SWTOR as it was the game i was looking for. I discovered there was other I wanted to try so I downloaded RIFT.

 

After a few hours install the game lasted 30mins and I deleted it. It was not the play style i enjoy. Although I hate Coruscant with a passion and its grind of missions. I do prefer SWTOR over every other MMo ive tried (Apart from GW).

 

So maybe I'll be playing this with my sub for longer until i try TERA in May.

Edited February 24, 2012 by SNEAKYSIX

[iheartnyc]

The sad and simple truth is that the quality control in this game is subpar. I wouldn't say it released early, but rather that it was badly designed from the start. It plays like an amateur-hour title because it was designed by people who don't have a heck of a lot of experience in the genre, and those who do came from failed games like WAR.

 

All this added up for me tonight. I got my second character to 50 this evening, started PvPing, and realized I just wasn't having any fun at all. The last few planets were an absolute slog, the PvP is terrible, the PvE is so bug-ridden I won't even touch it -- I'm just done. I'm cooked. I can't imagine logging on again.

 

 

The sad and simple truth is...the vast majority of people disagree with you. Good luck in WoW.

[patchew]

the big thing for me was i had to be persuaded to come from wow to sw. didnt take much persuasion because wow had gone too far to appease the idiots and bots/hackers so i said id give sw a try.

very happy i did, the community isnt as douchey as wow and because there isnt addons here (hopefully never will be) and hackers seem to be actually deleted rather than encouraged like there were in wow), the game is immensely enjoyable.

really like the pvp model where you kill a level 50 when youre a level 10 because of the qualisation thingie .. thats fun.

id love to see gear balancing done, pvp-geared people versus equivalent pvp-geared people, but i wont hold me breath.

 

all in all, once SW keeps not allowing addons, plans to release lots of new planets and races, end-game content (that isnt just "kill the mad robot" btw), fixes the damn GTN setup (oh gods, it drives me insane) and keeps tracking and deleting hackers/abusers then im as happy as a camper and they can continue to siphon my moneys.

 

i'll keep renewing as long as the game keeps me interested.

by the way, class quests could do with a bit more camp humour .. a la the original films .. some more tongue-in-cheek humour would be great.

 

"jaysus, that hutt looks like it fell out of the jolly green giants nose"

"that little furry thing looks like a wookie-poop"

 

etc

[SNEAKYSIX]

Agreed with above on keep playing as long as it keeps interest. Ive actually stopped rolling out new characters now as Im waiting for the legacy options, rummours of possible skills being passed down the tree to new characters using legacy options. I WILL LOVE THAT.

[gurugeorge]

I had a similar experience, only in beta in 2010. I wasn't terribly impressed with the screenshots and vids, didn't like the look of it much, and thought "VO in an MMO? Pah, what a waste of money". But then I got the invite and thought why the hell not, give it a try, at least I can brag

 

From the first moment I played it I was pleasantly surprised. "KOTOR with mates", I thought, yeah this will probably work.

 

I think for people who particularly love immersion, but who aren't hung up on "it has to be a single seamless world with lots of exploration otherwise I refuse to be immersed" (hey I love Vanguard too, so I know that feeling), who can get their immersion from story and "being" a character, SWTOR scratches a spot you had forgotten was itching.

 

In fact, the most interesting suprise for me is the multiplayer aspect of VO-d storyline/dialogue - i.e. grouped dialogues. TBQH, this is almost my favourite bit of the game. When I see that "Join Conversation", I get a buzz each time now. It's so cool to see how others look close up, to hear them talking, to wait in anticipation for the roll of the dice to see whether one's character will be the one to speak, to chat away with the party simultaneously while the dialogue's going, commenting on aspects of the story with each other, lol-ing at peculiarities of each others' outfits, or of NPCs, etc. This is truly a multiplayer experience, and truly innovative. I think people have vastly underestimated it.

 

Having said that, of course, the game needs tons more endgame content, bug fixing, QOL and even a bit more polishing before it will reach its full potential.

 

And one might wish that BW had been as innovative in a few other aspects of the game as they have been with the story/dialogue. (My main gripe: not enough use of "phasing", so that the world changes around you as you move through the story - e.g. 2 phases of a planet, before and after you "save" it by doing all your good work, would be very powerful).

 

Some of the "standard MMO" stuff is indeed a bit too "by the numbers".

 

But, in perspective, it's really one of the best launches to any MMO I've ever experienced, perhaps the best.

[gurugeorge]

dont think I've seen a large budget title get so much hate and rage so quickly lol

 

Every single one of the big MMOs of recent years has suffered from the same fate.

The only difference is that SWTOR refuses to oblige and die.

 

I hereby predict that Tera, TSW and GW2 will suffer the same fate. The hate will build pretty quickly after launch.

 

This is because the "MMO community" is bulked up with two types of players:

 

1) people whose first MMO was WoW, and

 

2) people who started MMOs back with UO, EQ, etc.

 

The first lot are never, ever going to be happy with any new MMO because they don't understand that a new MMO can never have the same amount of content and finish as one that's been out for 7 years. Plus also, they don't realise that their desires are schizophrenic - they want their new MMO to be like WoW (because it's familiar and comforting) and they also don't want it to be like WoW (because WoW is what they're getting bored of).

 

The second lot will never, ever be happy with any new MMO because no actually existing game could ever possibly match up to their hazy nostalgic memory of those first few "magical" months and years in their first MMO.

 

I'm afraid hate is going to be the lot of every new MMO that ever comes out from now on. What's actually going to happen is that you get a wave of hopeful players and then a blast of pure hatred, and then the Tsunami will roll on to the next game, leaving in its wake a certain proportion of players enjoying each game in turn.

 

So far the proportion staying for SWTOR is bigger than any of the so-called "fails" before. But every MMO will experience a similar phenomenon.

[DarthKhaos]

(My main gripe: not enough use of "phasing", so that the world changes around you as you move through the story - e.g. 2 phases of a planet, before and after you "save" it by doing all your good work, would be very powerful).

 

Some of the "standard MMO" stuff is indeed a bit too "by the numbers".

 

But, in perspective, it's really one of the best launches to any MMO I've ever experienced, perhaps the best.

Another point of personal preference. I absolutely HATE phasing. Friends (RL & IG) sometimes play at different times and when you do get a chance to team up you're out of phase. UGH! That's just how I feel about it.

[Devlonir]

Every single one of the big MMOs of recent years has suffered from the same fate.

The only difference is that SWTOR refuses to oblige and die.

 

I hereby predict that Tera, TSW and GW2 will suffer the same fate. The hate will build pretty quickly after launch.

 

This is because the "MMO community" is bulked up with two types of players:

 

1) people whose first MMO was WoW, and

 

2) people who started MMOs back with UO, EQ, etc.

 

The first lot are never, ever going to be happy with any new MMO because they don't understand that a new MMO can never have the same amount of content and finish as one that's been out for 7 years. Plus also, they don't realise that their desires are schizophrenic - they want their new MMO to be like WoW (because it's familiar and comforting) and they also don't want it to be like WoW (because WoW is what they're getting bored of).

 

The second lot will never, ever be happy with any new MMO because no actually existing game could ever possibly match up to their hazy nostalgic memory of those first few "magical" months and years in their first MMO.

 

I'm afraid hate is going to be the lot of every new MMO that ever comes out from now on. What's actually going to happen is that you get a wave of hopeful players and then a blast of pure hatred, and then the Tsunami will roll on to the next game, leaving in its wake a certain proportion of players enjoying each game in turn.

 

So far the proportion staying for SWTOR is bigger than any of the so-called "fails" before. But every MMO will experience a similar phenomenon.

 

This is actually not only with MMO's but with nearly every entertainment product. I have experienced it with other games from shooters to single player RPGs and strategy games. And also with movies, books and TV series.

 

People want new things, but when something truly new happens they often don't recognize it and let it slide. So entertainment industries have to put big names on top to sell their product. Be it by adding big name actors, or by virtue of the good name of their production studio, or by virtue of the IP that is backing them.

 

Studios are forced to offer things you know, because otherwise you will not hear about them. And when something you know is part of a product or service you buy than you have expectations. You remember fondly the thing in the past you experienced that was similar in that aspect.

 

...

 

And then you see the new thing.. and it is new, and different and intimidating.. But then you also see the recognizeable things from what you saw before! So you cling to what you recognize and then realize: "But wait, this recognizeable thing doesn't seem as good as it was in what I fondly remember." So your mind then makes the leap and says that this is worse than what you already experienced.

 

This is simply nostalgia. The past was always better. The past also had this aspect of this new product, so the past product is better. You forget the new things that scare and intimidate you and make you come out of your comfort zone, and focus on what the past thing did better.

 

The same thing happened with the new trilogy. People new to Star Wars loved the movies, despite it's flaws. People that have known Star Wars for ages disliked it because of it's flaws.

 

And the same happens with games, all of them. People with experience in the franchise/genre will always hate the newer one because it is different, and look back fondly to the older one despite the flaws it had.

 

And once you realise your brain works that way, you can create some distance between what you feel about something and how it really is. You can take things for what they are, and not for what their forebears were.

 

People that step into a game with an open mind and no expectations will always enjoy more aspects of it than those that step into it with high expectations and previous experience. And that, my friends, is a fact.

[Wildwa]

Well said. Similar to you I have also been waiting for something to come along. I have not played anything with any real interest for more than 3 months at a time since i quit WoW approx. 5 years ago, lol. WoW lasted me a year and I could never bring myself back to it, it's just not that great of a game for me. Every other MMO i have tried lasted anywhere from a few days to maybe 3 months at the most! I was lucky enough to get a beta invite to TOR about 4 months pre launch date. I played solid for those 4 months and conveniently became unemployed (good or bad???)just after launch, which gives me LOTS of time to play. I'm still not bored in the least! I only have one level 50, but two other chars climbing into the 40's now. Take all this with the fact that many of my friends are playing and I can see myself subbing for quite sometime. Thanks, bioware, it's what i've been looking for!

[Kalfear]

 

 

 

Interesting. I never had this problem. I have submitted tickets from bugs, typos, minor glitches, to player exploitation/afkers in warzones. Most of them I don't even want an automated response. I am just passing along some information. Others I'd need to talk to someone. I tend to say at the end "There is no need to contact me concerning this matter, I just wished to pass along the information." , "Please contact me if you require additional information." or "Please contact me as soon as possible."

I also tend to supplement my in game ticket with an e-mail to support@swtor,com with screenshots and anything else that would help. Sometimes a more detailed description because the in-game text box is a bit short. I have spoken to GMs on several occasions, the most recent was concerning an AFK player in a Warzone. Less than 2hrs after the ticket I was speaking to the GM. They wanted to confirm the player account. Due to policy they couldn't inform me of the action being taken but let's be honest, if they were going to do nothing they wouldn't bother contacting me.

 

This is where I get annoyed with the modern fanboi making excuses for everything and anything.

 

Its pretty much agreed from the most die hard hater to lover that cust service is majorly lacking in this game that usually people stop complaining about it as its not a topic of debate.

 

Yet here you are making excuses for the bad.

 

I will say most times I dont want a automated responce either, I just want problem fixed and its the later part thats never seemed to happen, since before beta ended.

 

I sent in multiple tickets about low level stealthers explointing stealth in higher level areas in beta, yet they went unresolved, unattended, ignored.

 

Sent in name reports only to be told names using canonized names like Yoda, LukeSkywalker, Revan were fine. I mean I also learned that Bioware doesnt even wanna take the minutes required to offer up a re real RP server with nameing rules (and I flat out do not accept that ignorant dismissal of Role Players desires on a RP server) but they dont even care if people break their already flimsy naming rules.

 

The cust service in this game is beyond terrible and even most fanbois see that so for shame for ignoring a issue because it hasnt directly effected you.

 

I havent PVPd yet but I know the under level players opening chests on Illum is a problem and should be addressed and accounts that did it turned back to prior to getting the goodies (along with a suspension for knowingly exploiting as bug/design flaw).

 

For shame for being so selfish that you think if it doesnt directly effect you its not a real problem.

 

Man I hate this new memememememe era of gameing.

 

Get over yourselves and look at the big picture and FIX THE PROBLEMS when they that obvious.

 

Im not saying you gotta cheer on macros and UI changes, and add ons. Those are not game issues, those just features some players want. The game isnt broken with out them. BAD CUST SERVICE is a GAME WIDE ISSUE and frankly one that has plagued MMORPGs for 2+ decades and should have been fixed long before WOW, beforte DAoC, before EA, before UO. This problem goes all the way back to the first MMORPG NWN on AOL and developers been short changing the player base ever since because there is always someone like you making up excuses for the inexcusable!

[DarthKhaos]

Mr. Kalfear where in that post did I say there wasn't a problem? I was describing my experience and what I do to get a timely response. I understand the nature of Customer Service. Hell I worked help desk in the past. It's a thankless job and people expect you to do things that are outside of what you can do.

 

This has nothing to do with this game in specific to me but in how people interact with each other and request help. I honestly do not know what they place in their tickets, I do not know how they word their complaint, I do now know if they send screenshots and detailed information via e-mail in addition to said in-game ticket. What I do know is that I do and it works for me and all I can do is tell people what works for me.

 

If that makes me a fanboi then "Weeeeeeeee" I honestly don't give a force about your opinion about me I'm only responding so you can understand what I was trying to do and perhaps help you in your future dealings with CSR.

[Jesira]

There is a tremendous amount of 'hate' for this game, and I can't really figure out WHY...It's a very well designed game, it has very few 'real' issues, it launched really smoothly, it's new, it's much deeper than any other MMO, it's pretty...I just really don't understand why trolls have taken to bashing this game into the ground relentlessly on every gaming site I check out. I'm getting sick and tired of it, because mostly it's just unfounded, uneducated rants about a game they're probably not even playing.

 

There's really nothing anybody can DO about it other than hope they find another game to destroy so they leave ours alone lol. It's pathetic that it's come to this point with the gaming community, which used to be a far more mature group of people waaaaaay back in the day. I remember being a child and being able to post on gaming forums about games, and chat with different communities about upcoming titles, and new titles, old ones, etc and it was all pretty good conversation, or constructive criticisms based on fact, now it's mostly a bunch of mindless complaining and trolling, it disheartens me from being a part of a community anymore. Hopefully BioWare is able to really start making some big splashes with keeping the excitement level up and getting "positive" reports on everything in hopes that these people will shut the heck up.

Edited February 25, 2012 by Jesira

[Poogination]

Once they fix most of the bugs and add new content, this game will topple WOW imo.

 

Except by the time that even begins to happen GW2 will have been out already and crushed this sad excuse for a game into the ground.

[Poogination]

There is a tremendous amount of 'hate' for this game, and I can't really figure out WHY...It's a very well designed game, it has very few 'real' issues, it launched really smoothly, it's new, it's much deeper than any other MMO, it's pretty...I just really don't understand why trolls have taken to bashing this game into the ground relentlessly on every gaming site I check out. I'm getting sick and tired of it, because mostly it's just unfounded, uneducated rants about a game they're probably not even playing.

 

There's really nothing anybody can DO about it other than hope they find another game to destroy so they leave ours alone lol. It's pathetic that it's come to this point with the gaming community, which used to be a far more mature group of people waaaaaay back in the day. I remember being a child and being able to post on gaming forums about games, and chat with different communities about upcoming titles, and new titles, old ones, etc and it was all pretty good conversation, or constructive criticisms based on fact, now it's mostly a bunch of mindless complaining and trolling, it disheartens me from being a part of a community anymore. Hopefully BioWare is able to really start making some big splashes with keeping the excitement level up and getting "positive" reports on everything in hopes that these people will shut the heck up.

 

This is one of the most poorly designed games ever compared to how much was spent on it. This game is a failure in almost every way. You must be playing a different game. The design is of such low quality it's not even funny.

[Poogination]

I am not anti-SWTOR by anymeans and I will sub and continue to sub but .. I just dont get the feeling of addiction with SWTOR that I use to, I am not sure if it is my server, my guild or the game in total.

 

It's called poor game design, not your fault.

[Poogination]

As a proud owner of a new PC I bought SWTOR as it was the game i was looking for. I discovered there was other I wanted to try so I downloaded RIFT.

 

After a few hours install the game lasted 30mins and I deleted it. It was not the play style i enjoy. Although I hate Coruscant with a passion and its grind of missions. I do prefer SWTOR over every other MMo ive tried (Apart from GW).

 

So maybe I'll be playing this with my sub for longer until i try TERA in May.

 

Bro GW2 is coming out soon, don't be stupid and waste your money on Tera.

[Poogination]

The sad and simple truth is...the vast majority of people disagree with you. Good luck in WoW.

 

That's funny because so many people are quitting in droves and waiting for legitimate games to come out like GW2.

[Tuscad]

@ OP and everyone else that enjoys this game: I am glad you enjoy this game, I have had the opposite experience but wish I could enjoy it like you, I wanted to so badly.

[Hypernetic]

Why is it that the only people who actually like TOR have that stupid Hutt avatar?

[Tuscad]

Why is it that the only people who actually like TOR have that stupid Hutt avatar?

 

It is the forums universal trolling avatar. Not everyone that uses it is a troll, but most of them are.

[kufa]

Fact: The less you play the game the more you like it.

[DarthKhaos]

Man Poogination is living the Dark Side. The amount of anger he's pushing out is staggering. I hope he doesn't die of a busted blood vessel. Seriously man chill out. If you truly hate the game so much why are you stressing yourself here. Go do something you enjoy instead.

[Taorus]

Fact: The less I play the game the more I like it.

 

 

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