Jabbb Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) I have a secret. A secret build. I share it with you, person on the PT forums at 2am. BEHOLD THE ULTIMATE POG! I mean SPEC! I did 750k dmg with the following spec, single target, in a voidstar. I am in full champ with a bit of BM and a bit of rakatta. http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-calculator/powertech/16/?build=003200300000000000000000000002031000000000000000000000000320032002120230003200200000 This is the single most powerful PT spec in terms of dmg, it sacrifices TD and thus some range, for extremely high overall dps. You are essentially a little more melee and a lot more powerful. I call it Splarg's Deep burn spec Edited February 18, 2012 by Jabbb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athilias Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 This isn't fair, I run practically the same thing for my Pyro, except I have 2 points into Energy Rebounder for a bit more survivability. I was suspecting something super secret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Thanks for posting one of the most basic Pyro builds with minor variants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Beastwood Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 You won't be dealing as much damage as you don't have TD. /thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slicjedi Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 You won't be dealing as much damage as you don't have TD. /thread. Explosive dart and Thermal Detonator do about the same dmg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athilias Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Explosive dart and Thermal Detonator do about the same dmg. Not sure if serious... TD does way more, especially when it crits (cause it gets 30% bonus damage on crit). The only way ED makes up for it is if it hits a group of 3+. Now whether that extra burst is worth it or not, is up to the user, but TD definitely does more damage, that there is no doubt on. However, I would also be one to take 9% extra aim over TD. As much as I love the burst, I prefer strong, consistant damage, even for PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slicjedi Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 ahh yeah, forgot about the Firebug talent that gives it 30% more crit damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbb Posted February 18, 2012 Author Share Posted February 18, 2012 I deal considerably more dmg than with TD, I did 750k single target in a warzone. Thermal det is not worth 6% crit and 9% aim, it's a mediocre ability with good range, it's hard hitting but only every 15 seconds and it's a heat hog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athilias Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I deal considerably more dmg than with TD, I did 750k single target in a warzone. Thermal det is not worth 6% crit and 9% aim, it's a mediocre ability with good range, it's hard hitting but only every 15 seconds and it's a heat hog. It's not a heat hog and all you have to miss out on is 9% aim to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbb Posted February 19, 2012 Author Share Posted February 19, 2012 It's not a heat hog and all you have to miss out on is 9% aim to get it. Well I'm doing 750k in warzones without it. It is a heat hog, its 16 heat without any proc capability, FB or RP are also 16 heat but give 30 and 45% chance for a free railshot which actually drastically reduces your heat. Using TD in rotation can put you out of fast heat regen Incendiary + railshot + thermal = 45 heat. Now you're in melee range what are you going to do? RP for 16 heat? okay you're now at 60 heat you're totally over heated and if you didnt get lucky on your rp you already have to vent heat Compare that to a simple Incendiary + railshot = 30 heat, you're still in fast heat regen so you're burning heat considerably well, you can FB into a RP and have the same heat as with a thermal but you'll lose an extra 10 heat because you were lower going into FB TB rotation and you'll have a higher chance of railshot procing, all of this letting you hold off on venting longer. If vents not up and you use TD and land at 45 heat you have to actually start auto attacking or you seriously risk hitting 60 heat on your RP with no proc and then your sol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athilias Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Well I'm doing 750k in warzones without it. It is a heat hog, its 16 heat without any proc capability, FB or RP are also 16 heat but give 30 and 45% chance for a free railshot which actually drastically reduces your heat. Using TD in rotation can put you out of fast heat regen Incendiary + railshot + thermal = 45 heat. Now you're in melee range what are you going to do? RP for 16 heat? okay you're now at 60 heat you're totally over heated and if you didnt get lucky on your rp you already have to vent heat Compare that to a simple Incendiary + railshot = 30 heat, you're still in fast heat regen so you're burning heat considerably well, you can FB into a RP and have the same heat as with a thermal but you'll lose an extra 10 heat because you were lower going into FB TB rotation and you'll have a higher chance of railshot procing, all of this letting you hold off on venting longer. If vents not up and you use TD and land at 45 heat you have to actually start auto attacking or you seriously risk hitting 60 heat on your RP with no proc and then your sol Lets assume Vent Heat and Thermal Override are on CD. We lose 8 heat every GCD. So that's basically -8 heat cost to every ability. Also, while we're on it, TD would be first. So that's 8 heat. Now you add the 17 from IM, now you're at 25. Then RS is free. So you're sitting at 25 heat. You could hit RP and still be at 33 heat. If RS procs, you're still at 33 heat. If he's still up, you can do rapid shots here. TD can crit for 4k, easily, and only costs 8 heat for that GCD. You went a path that has more sustained damage, that doesn't make TD less viable, you just aren't looking to burst anyone down. If you were to start out with TD->IM->RS and TD/RS were to crit, you're looking at ~10k, in 1 GCD (due to delayed explosion of TD). This is very good for bursting down healers, or someone not paying as much attention. With what you're saying, your rotation would be IM->RS->RP in the first 3? So about 6.5k if they crit? Either way, both have their own advantages. Neither is bad at all. Sustained damage is great for some things, burst damage is good for some things. There's not really a wrong way. Saying TD is a heat hog is just wrong though. Saying it's not much stronger then ED is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Lol, I gave you the tap that the 750k match was impressive, but thinking a single game where you got that due to having an obvious large amount of turtling and pocket heals means you can say such things is just silly. When you can do that consistently without a premade and actually win matches (or at least make it close), you can use those matches as examples. Edited February 19, 2012 by Moostick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbb Posted February 19, 2012 Author Share Posted February 19, 2012 Lol, I gave you the tap that the 750k match was impressive, but thinking a single game where you got that due to having an obvious large amount of turtling and pocket heals means you can say such things is just silly. When you can do that consistently without a premade and actually win matches (or at least make it close), you can use those matches as examples. We're talking about pure dmg capabilities, obviously there wasn't a lot of objective based actions in that specific game, but dmg when only going for dmg translates to dmg when used in an objective situations, so fighting a game like this just shows the maximum abilities of a spec. This spec has the most dmg capabilities of any spec (8 8 25 is probably comparable). My point is it's not worth taking TD, especially if you have heat problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) We're talking about pure dmg capabilities, obviously there wasn't a lot of objective based actions in that specific game, but dmg when only going for dmg translates to dmg when used in an objective situations, so fighting a game like this just shows the maximum abilities of a spec. This spec has the most dmg capabilities of any spec (8 8 25 is probably comparable). My point is it's not worth taking TD, especially if you have heat problems. Yeah, this means a whole lot when you basically had invincibiliy, could take your time to kill anyone, and didn't have to spend time in jail/run to the fray again. Very nice, meaningful comparisons going on here. /slowclap Edited February 19, 2012 by Moostick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbb Posted February 19, 2012 Author Share Posted February 19, 2012 Yeah, this means a whole lot when you basically had invincibiliy, could take your time to kill anyone, and didn't have to spend time in jail/run to the fray again. Very nice, meaningful comparisons going on here. /slowclap Again, we're talking about pure dmg capabilities under ideal conditions, obviously the limiting factors you've raised will lower over all dmg, but if I can do this much dmg in ideal conditions I can do good dmg in less than ideal conditions, I don't think a TD speced PT could do this much single target dmg in ideal conditions and thus couldn't do it in nonideal conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Again, we're talking about pure dmg capabilities under ideal conditions, obviously the limiting factors you've raised will lower over all dmg, but if I can do this much dmg in ideal conditions I can do good dmg in less than ideal conditions, I don't think a TD speced PT could do this much single target dmg in ideal conditions and thus couldn't do it in nonideal conditions. And this is what I'm saying. How are you coming to such conclusions with no experiments or data? Are you psychic? Edited February 19, 2012 by Moostick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotm Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 750k is completely out of whack and more than double what I consider even a good range in usual circumstances. Plus this spec is also good in pve as well, stop nitpicking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudexx Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 did u use explosive darts? In voidstar it will usually outdamage TD because of all the clusters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazingShadow Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 so wheres that screenshot of a 750k dmg warzone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbb Posted February 19, 2012 Author Share Posted February 19, 2012 http://i.imgur.com/Tiihv.jpg and no i did not, and do not use explosive dart, I used no aoe abilities at all in this match though normally I'll DFA maybe once or twice I didn't this match as I was very focused and in the zone going from enemy to enemy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbb Posted February 19, 2012 Author Share Posted February 19, 2012 http://i.imgur.com/Tiihv.jpg and no i did not, and do not use explosive dart, I used no aoe abilities at all in this match though normally I'll DFA maybe once or twice I didn't this match as I was very focused and in the zone going from enemy to enemy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Beastwood Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) TD is still great for out bursting healers bursts. It would not be as good if it didn't get the 30% crit damage boost but it does. Combined with a crit rate of 40% it is always worth it. You won't overheat if you using rapid shots at times and as you are killing something overheating isn't too much of a problem. You also the lost the match by a very large amount. Obviously too focussed on seeing big numbers. You only died once which suggests you avoided large groups most likely the ones actually planting the bomb or defending the door, and not even bothering with the objective of the game. Less deaths also mean less time waiting for the defender barrier to open and of course more time doing damage. TLDR; Winning is better. I'd rather win than get top damage. Edited February 19, 2012 by The_Beastwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zyionx Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 These are all too funny threads. Really do you expect everyone to take you seriously when, "So this one time I did 750k in a WZ so this spec is awesome" Truly you had near 100% uptime because you had a healer and prb some others guarding you. Because once you run into halfway intelligent pvpers on the opposing team you won't see these numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shurbryn Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 http://i.imgur.com/Tiihv.jpg and no i did not, and do not use explosive dart, I used no aoe abilities at all in this match though normally I'll DFA maybe once or twice I didn't this match as I was very focused and in the zone going from enemy to enemy But... but... you only did 745K damage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endur Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I love how nearly every one of these people e-peening about their damage posts a picture of a loss. I hope BW adds combat logs soon so that these guys can flex their actual dps numbers instead of "contributing" to warzones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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