metaIsaber Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) I'm lvl 39 and have been using the Shii-Cho the entire time. Should I be using Juyo? I seem to do pretty well and usually at the top for kills and dmg. Edited February 14, 2012 by metaIsaber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveandDieinLA Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 If you are watchman you should be in juyo 100% of the time. If you are focus you should be in shii-cho 100% of the time. If you are combat you should be in ataru 100% of the time. No if, ands, or buts about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaaat Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 If you are watchman you should be in juyo 100% of the time. If you are focus you should be in shii-cho 100% of the time. If you are combat you should be in ataru 100% of the time. No if, ands, or buts about it.but but a level 19 Combat can't use Ataru form, and a level 11 Watchman can't use juyo form... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedroni Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Two pieces of advice: 1. Take no one's advice above your own. 2. Use what works, but don't be afraid to try something new once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveandDieinLA Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 but but a level 19 Combat can't use Ataru form, and a level 11 Watchman can't use juyo form... Lol ok, some if ands and buts about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyvaris Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I'm lvl 39 and have been using the Shii-Cho the entire time. Should I be using Juyo? I seem to do pretty well and usually at the top for kills and dmg. Yes you should be using Juyo, as the Watchmen tree boosts its power. It will end up giving it more crits on your burns, making your self heal burns better etc. Its stacking damage effect is also much better then Shii-Cho's +dmg +damage mitigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFirewind Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) Juyo should be your default stance for Watchman sped. However Shii-Cho gives you a very powerful (and free) AoE when you pop Zen and has a 3% damage reduction so there are situations where switching to Shii-Cho is worth it. For PvE: Using Shii-Cho in Watchman spec is situational but does have a couple of niche uses while AoE bursting. About 85% of the time though you will benefit from Juyo stance more. For PvP however: I would stay in Juyo. Overload Sabre + Cyclone Slash with the occasional Force Sweep is all the AoE you will need really and OS +CS is ridiculously awesome for protecting objectives. How awesome? Overload Sabre + Cyclone Slash will apply OS to up to 3 targets for 6 seconds. That is 3 people out of 8 on the other team completely unable to stealth or capture an objective for 6 seconds. 37.5% of the opposing team unable to cap a point for 6 seconds is HUGE and you can keep it up indefinitely as long as your group can keep you up. EDIT: Combat also benefits from switching stance because it's Zen is currently broken for Ataru. Also Shii-Cho's Zen basically does the same thing but better really than Ataru's Zen. Edited February 14, 2012 by IronFirewind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinemayor Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Ataru's Zen really does need some love - I'd quite enjoy seeing it give the next 6 Ataru procs guaranteed crits for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meira_Arirai Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I use Juyo 100% of the time- the choice was mostly roleplay-related for me, but it seems to work out mechanically as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticoccus Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 You get a stacking damage buff coupled with a stacking critboost that caps at 15%... That is a pretty awesome combo simply because the abilities affected by said critboost also heal you for a respectable amount and melt enemies faces to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveGarbage Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Overload Sabre + Cyclone Slash will apply OS to up to 3 targets for 6 seconds. That is 3 people out of 8 on the other team completely unable to stealth or capture an objective for 6 seconds. I have to test it again, but I don't think that's correct. I believe Cyclone Slash only applies OS to one target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFirewind Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I have to test it again, but I don't think that's correct. I believe Cyclone Slash only applies OS to one target. I've seen it hit all 3 with OS and sometimes just 2. It's classed as a melee attack so it DOES apply OS. I think it may be very buggy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaaat Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I've seen it hit all 3 with OS and sometimes just 2. It's classed as a melee attack so it DOES apply OS. I think it may be very buggy though.There is an internal CD on OS, so it's impossible to apply OS on 3 different targets in 1 GCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psybin Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I know for a fact that each use of cyclone applies one stack of overload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metaIsaber Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 Thanks for the advice guys. I'll give it a shot and see how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal-Sharran Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Juyo should be your default stance for Watchman sped. However Shii-Cho gives you a very powerful (and free) AoE when you pop Zen and has a 3% damage reduction so there are situations where switching to Shii-Cho is worth it. For PvE: Using Shii-Cho in Watchman spec is situational but does have a couple of niche uses while AoE bursting. About 85% of the time though you will benefit from Juyo stance more. For PvP however: I would stay in Juyo. Overload Sabre + Cyclone Slash with the occasional Force Sweep is all the AoE you will need really and OS +CS is ridiculously awesome for protecting objectives. How awesome? Overload Sabre + Cyclone Slash will apply OS to up to 3 targets for 6 seconds. That is 3 people out of 8 on the other team completely unable to stealth or capture an objective for 6 seconds. 37.5% of the opposing team unable to cap a point for 6 seconds is HUGE and you can keep it up indefinitely as long as your group can keep you up. EDIT: Combat also benefits from switching stance because it's Zen is currently broken for Ataru. Also Shii-Cho's Zen basically does the same thing but better really than Ataru's Zen. Could you clarify? I was Combat all the way to 50, and stayed Combat up until a week ago. I'm pretty sure Zen does exactly what it says, knocks .5 seconds off the GCD. I can pump out some Blade Rush attacks in record time. Blade Rush itself is choppy as hell, but the damage generally still goes out even when the animation fails. So please, explain this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantsOn Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Two pieces of advice: 1. Take no one's advice above your own. 2. Use what works, but don't be afraid to try something new once in a while. That's great advice for the guy. Let him continue using Shii-Cho while being a Watchman. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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