Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

[Mcleavestein]

So an argument for LFD queues is to keep rude and bad players subscribed and playing? Nice.

 

Do you really believe your argument? I would rather get to run a flashpoint with the chance of having an annoying group member, than never run a flashpoint at all, which is what I have experienced so far. And no one is saying you can't run dungeons with your friends if it bothers you so much.

[ferroz]

There isn't even a tank/healer problem in this game. I'm a republic DPS and can run constant HM's almost whenever I want to.

and I'm a republic tank and it's not worth the hour wait that it takes to get a group going...

 

When I logged on the other night, someone was looking for a healer for a HM. When I logged off, an hour and a half later, he was still looking.

Edited February 14, 2012 by ferroz

[Sylriana]

Not as odd as setting a mmo's layout to be a total lobby game like CoD.

 

Except no one said anything about making the game a "lobby game". They're asking for functionality to make it easier to find groups for multiplayer content.

 

That begs the question though: If your complaint is against "lobby game" style play. How exactly is sitting in the fleet for an indeterminate amount of time somehow a better alternative to being able to simultaneously look for a group and play the game with a modicum of efficiency?

Edited February 14, 2012 by Sylriana

[DarthTHC]

So my question is, why is BioWare simply watching this thread go on and on when it's plainly clear that their LFG implementation is completely valueless?

 

How about a nice statement from BioWare that you hear the players and you're looking into improvements?

[Optimism]

So an argument for LFD queues is to keep rude and bad players subscribed and playing? Nice.

 

Bioware doesn't care who they are as long as they pay the bill.

 

Can easily say once LFD comes out, I'll put my RP dark side skills to use. The way a Sith lord should be portrayed.

 

None of this caring for others or witholding my reputation BS. Through victory my chains are broken and If the dice is white, it's alright.

[harpuax]

fixed

 

 

No, the can certainly find groups. Whether they can complete the content or not is up to them at that point.

 

I see the slippery slope fallacy that is your argument... is that what you meant?

 

But you instituted the tool so more people can experience the content. This was the reason to have the tool. You believe more people should experience content. More people cannot experience content because it is too hard for them. Therefore we conclude that content must be nerfed also.

 

If "whether they can complete content or not is up to them" why can't whether they find groups or not be up to them as well?

[DarthFreki]

So my question is, why is BioWare simply watching this thread go on and on when it's plainly clear that their LFG implementation is completely valueless?

 

How about a nice statement from BioWare that you hear the players and you're looking into improvements?

 

because this is the general forum and they make their posts in other realms of this forum as to what they are doing.

[Vlaxitov]

Yeah because that's what I said. lol try harder.

 

Let me let you in on a little secret...those 'rude and bad players' you speak of......they are already in game....LFD doesn't change that a bit.

 

You misconstrued what I said and I turned it right back on you. How does your own medicine taste?

 

Let me let you in on a something that isn't a secret to anyone. Auto grouping LFD tools enable that rude or bad player to continue enjoying themselves at the expense of the rest of our game environments. You can deny that untill you're blue in the face but still know its true.

 

If I weren't mistaken, I'd say people like you are pushing for socialism in a mmo.

[Whitesmokes]

So.. It appears you are looking for convenient and easy.. Perhaps an MMO is not your cup of tea.. Convenient and easy is not what an MMO is about..

 

this guy knows what hes talking about. ALL MMOs ARE HARD AND INCOVENIENT! psh give me a beak. I play clunky games because frustration is the key factor to my enjoyment of vids.

[PjPablo]

You misconstrued what I said and I turned it right back on you. How does your own medicine taste?

 

Let me let you in on a something that isn't a secret to anyone. Auto grouping LFD tools enable that rude or bad player to continue enjoying themselves at the expense of the rest of our game environments. You can deny that untill you're blue in the face but still know its true.

 

If I weren't mistaken, I'd say people like you are pushing for socialism in a mmo.

 

Nope. Not true.

 

My experience with LFD queues in WOW was a very positive one. The positives greatly outweigh any negatives there may be.

 

Socialism, huh? You are a funny one.

[Vlaxitov]

because frustration is the key factor to my enjoyment of vids.

 

because easy and effortless is the key factor to my video game enjoyment.

[Emeda]

this guy knows what hes talking about. ALL MMOs ARE HARD AND INCOVENIENT! psh give me a beak. I play clunky games because frustration is the key factor to my enjoyment of vids.

 

Love your sig. So what is it that WoW did that made you play this game.

 

This game is a complete copy of WoW and for some reason you dont like WoW but you like this game and adding more things that are in WoW like LFG (which will make it more like WoW) will only make this game better?

[ferroz]

because easy and effortless is the key factor to my video game enjoyment.

Ah, well, challenging game play is a key factor to my video game enjoyment; therefore I'm in favor of lfd, since that lets me get to the game play part faster.

 

There's no conflcit between the desire for difficult and challenging game play and the desire for simple and easy to use user-interfaces, and the desire for tools that eliminate or reduce the non-gameplay hassles and frustrations.

Edited February 14, 2012 by ferroz

[Progue]

Ah, well, challenging game play is a key factor to my video game enjoyment; therefore I'm in favor of lfd, since that lets me get to the game play part faster.

 

How much faster?

 

I refer you to my former post:

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=2830902#post2830902

[Vlaxitov]

Nope. Not true.

 

My experience with LFD queues in WOW was a very positive one. The positives greatly outweigh any negatives there may be.

 

Socialism, huh? You are a funny one.

 

Of course your experience with WoW's LFD was positive, you wouldn't be running a snarky apologetics campaing for the same thing in these forums if it werent. I'm saying some people can't find groups for a good reason and if you're part of that demographic, LFD tools are nothing but positive for you.

 

We cannot be expected to have the ability for finding groups to run content on our own. We need the game makers to do that for us. What is that?

[Sylriana]

because easy and effortless is the key factor to my video game enjoyment.

 

Except no one is asking for the game to be easy or effortless. No one in this thread asking for LFD has even mentioned making the content easier, as that has nothing to do with this thread.

 

How much faster?

 

I refer you to my former post:

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=2830902#post2830902

 

faster enough. LFD does nothing to fix disproportionality of tank/healer/dps balance, but it does help increase the pool of players from which to draw from.

Edited February 14, 2012 by Sylriana

[ferroz]

How much faster?

 

I refer you to my former post:

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=2830902#post2830902

that doesn't link me to your post.

 

but to answer your question "significantly faster" ... I expect to go from "not worth looking for a group because that part takes too long" to "get a group in <5 minutes, if not withing seconds"

Edited February 14, 2012 by ferroz

[Vlaxitov]

Ah, well, challenging game play is a key factor to my video game enjoyment;

 

My response you quoted was sarcasm.

[ferroz]

My response you quoted was sarcasm.

mine wasn't

[Vlaxitov]

Except no one is asking for the game to be easy or effortless.

 

If you could point me to one mmo that has added an auto grouping LFD tool and the game's devs didn't eventually get around to making it easy and effortless, I'd be happy to go try it out.

[Vlaxitov]

mine wasn't

 

I know... awkward..

[Progue]

Of course your experience with WoW's LFD was positive, you wouldn't be running a snarky apologetics campaing for the same thing in these forums if it werent. I'm saying some people can't find groups for a good reason and if you're part of that demographic, LFD tools are nothing but positive for you.

 

We cannot be expected to have the ability for finding groups to run content on our own. We need the game makers to do that for us. What is that?

 

Back when I played FFXI (in the old days, haven't played it since WoW came out), it was easy to point out the absolute worst thing about the game: finding groups. The only way you could level in that game was camping mobs in full groups. You spent probably the first hour (on a good day) online looking for a party, and it was a dice roll as to whether that party wouldn't fall apart after the first fight. The only counter to this problem was having a static group of friends with whom you scheduled leveling sessions. This made the game practically inaccessible to new players, unless they were introduced by a friend who had a support system already set up for them (as in a guild).

 

Why do we need that kind of barrier to accessibility?

[Progue]

that doesn't link me to your post.

 

but to answer your question "significantly faster" ... I expect to go from "not worth looking for a group because that part takes too long" to "get a group in <5 minutes, if not withing seconds"

 

Second post from the top of that page.

 

And, unless you're a tank or healer, that's an unrealistic expectation.

 

You would have to be in a queue with just the right proportion of players and classes to get that kind of time. In WoW, it tends not to matter because of the game population, which is huge.

Edited February 14, 2012 by Progue

[TheRainstater]

I would like to vote that I am for a LFD tool.

 

I have used them in every other game I have played. Its honestly how I have meet most of the people I have gamed with in other games.

 

I'm not anti social but I don't like it when I get random invites for a group or guild. When I want to party I want to be able to look for one with out doing shout outs for hours. Some groups fail and some kick ***. It's a good way to find quality players or people you work well with that you may have not meet by just shouting out.

[ferroz]

If you could point me to one mmo that has added an auto grouping LFD tool and the game's devs didn't eventually get around to making it easy and effortless, I'd be happy to go try it out.

post hoc ergo propter hoc eh?

 

Second post from the top of that page.

I'm still on that same page (page 10); the second post is by Vlaxitov. Edited February 14, 2012 by ferroz