Adiva Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Like the topic says, do you find the heals any useful when specced either arsenal or pyrotech? Or are they way to weak to be of any use unless specced into? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cegenaus Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 they are weak. i use kolto overload as an emergency skill to help get away and i dont use rapid scan unless i am out of combat. incombat it wont outheal anything and generates too much heat to do anything else (arsenal spec) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faloma Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Yes, I dont use heals in PVP unless we outnumber them and I just have to hold on for a bit. In PVE they can really come in handy. You cant always rely on a healer all the time. I heal a lot on the phase transition in SOA and have healed threw the final boss in False Emperer when the healer DLed 15 s3ec into fight. So although they are not great heals as a merc I do get 4.5-5.5k crit heals. Not extremely useful but can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bahdasz Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Yeah, if you're not primarily bodyguard specced, our heals suck. I use med packs first, heals are a last resort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adiva Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 so are they more or less useless unless you have specced some into bodyguard or are they still good enough to heal through some encounters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantisus Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 It all depends how long the fight lasts and how much damage the tank is taking. I've healed some heroics as arsenal but like I said if the fight is long you won't last for more than 2 min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cegenaus Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 ive healed in heroics as well but we had a good tank that was taking all of the damage. in pvp its not gonna happen. if you decide to heal someone then youre pretty much sacrificing yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlyknights Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I find they are good for some Heroic Quests when heals are needed and the grp cant find a "healer"...but other wise Med Packs are faster and no heat needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djinnerman Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Without Critical Efficiency, you are going to find yourself in a heat management problem rather quickly. Since Rapid Scan is a hard hitting heal, we need it to heal up some of the damage the group gets. If any part of healing involves lowering the heat cost by whatever means, then you are off to a better playing field. Howbeit, when leveling as dps spec, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone popped a heal or two during a fight. So technically for everyone: yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorgehyde Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) in my pvp arsenal spec i take the med tech talent from the bodyguard tree in addition to full points in integrated systems and custom enviro suit from the arsenal tree. while the healing isn't effective while being targeted in the heat of battle with damage/interrupts/cc, i find that if i can LOS for a few seconds i can get a healing scan>rapid scan off and survive quite often. http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#300bcZrIkrRrdRzbzZ0c.1 Edited February 11, 2012 by jorgehyde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinavast Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Only in oh S*** situations where i can stun, and then get one off quickly (usually followed immediately by the instant 15% HoT, and a quick medpac). Only in the most dire circumstances do i use healing scan or rapid scan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battilea Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Pretty much only in group situations, where either Mako or the healer needs a hand, or solo, in that time period when everything but the CC'd mob is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bahdasz Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 The crap part about healing as a non-body guard is that most of the time you cannot out-heal the damage coming in to your target. Be it yourself or someone else, if they can't drop aggro and stop getting hit, at best all you can do is keep them at roughly the same level... for about 30 seconds until you're overheated and have already vented once. Imo, that is the one true line in the mercenary profession... you are either a healer or you are not, because it's nearly impossible to half-xxx it and get be effective at anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bahdasz Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) Pretty much only in group situations, where either Mako or the healer needs a hand, or solo, in that time period when everything but the CC'd mob is dead. Even then unless you can shift its attention to your companion or drop line of site (hide behide an object or wall), you won't usually heal enough to win because all the time you're casting you're still taking damage. Edited February 12, 2012 by bahdasz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gariuys Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 No, and when doing group content, don't do it at all! You think you're helping the healer, while your only making any problem worse. You're dps, the healer doesn't need your help unless he asks for it. You should spend your time reducing the incoming damage by killing stuff, that's your role. Non-healing spec anything aren't offhealers either, unless they're overlvl'ed/overgeared compaired to the content/rest of the group. And even solo it's useless, just use Mako and kill stuff before you die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisz_Rethon Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) I have 10 points in bodyguard and I can't count how many times putting the combat support cylinder changed a wipe situation into a win situation. In pvp i'll just do it for medals though (hate me) Edited February 13, 2012 by Wisz_Rethon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManiacalShen Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 No, and when doing group content, don't do it at all! You think you're helping the healer, while your only making any problem worse. You're dps, the healer doesn't need your help unless he asks for it. You should spend your time reducing the incoming damage by killing stuff, that's your role. I disagree - sometimes. In a PUG, I will heal if it looks like someone's going to drop. Not every healer is awesome at his or her job, plus crap happens. It's all situational. Also, sometimes you just need to heal your tank friend, even if you have Mako out, because the two of you are level 44s fighting a level 47 champion, and it's more important that you guys live through the fight than anything. If the tank dies, you won't kill the champion at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yazule Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Like the topic says, do you find the heals any useful when specced either arsenal or pyrotech? Or are they way to weak to be of any use unless specced into? pve i have held up the tank and another dps a few times to "not wipe" though overheating is an issue in pvp i normally self cast for a medal, or i may heal the tank sheilding me, or possibly heal the ball carrier but rarely do i heal in pvp we are gimp healers if not speced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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