CaliKillaz Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 So I've been into mmorpg's for about 8 years. I'm very pvp oriented, and I've always been damn good - most people don't know how to even play their own class well/maximize your toons potential... In my opinion there really is no question what the best specialization is. Darkness is so OP right now it's crazy. Outside of IA snipers it might be the best class atm. The only other spec that can compare would be a hybrid madness spec but trust me, rock with darkness, here's why: The fact they allow a tank to have the abilities we have is ridiculous. It seriously cracks me up that a few of the posts on here are about people complaining that assassins/tankassins need to get improved. Crazy. Force pull to get anybody within melee range, three diff ways to self heal (chain lightning 12%, overcharge saber 10%, and a self heal every 4.5 seconds from dark charge), wither is the best AoE in the game considering it slows them down AND lowers their damage), great survivability from shield/extra defense from tp's, nice stuns, and stealth, and in my opinion the best companion/s. Yes their damage CAN be lower than other specs but we are almost impossible to kill. Il go 1vs2 all the time and win with roughly 1/3 of my health to spare. Darkness all the way. No doubt. People complain that after pvp wz's their damage is never high so therefor we deserve an increase or they should be nerfed. Guess what - if you know anything about this game you'd realize we dint do the AoE damage others do but mostly we are a melee class and ranged classes can attack immediately where as we have to position are selves and often sneak up in stealth... Thoughts ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AedanWolfe Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 i disagree, at least to the point you state, i think darkness is balanced...unbalanced? operatives with stealth or sniping, bounty hunters....oh and i love4 tracer rounds btw...yes so balanced. Deception is like a prot paladin with higher damage and lower defense but more control. and we cant compare directly to wow because of how damage vs defense is done in this game is different then wow. imo darkness is fine as it isnt OP in pvp, but nerfing it could make assassins unable to tank as i hear its already a bit worse off then other tanks in pve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nocorras Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Darkness is strong but deception can do amazing things too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astarica Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 It's not so much as Darkness being flat out overpowered as opposed to the fact that you pretty much die instantly if you're not in Dark Charge so it really doesn't matter if you do more DPS in another spec because you're still dead. Deception has the least synergy with Darkness and suffers the most. Most Madness hybrids still use Dark Charge, instead of Lightning Charge even though Madness leans toward dots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tXHereticXt Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 imo darkness is fine as it isnt OP in pvp, but nerfing it could make assassins unable to tank as i hear its already a bit worse off then other tanks in pve It's not terribly too bad. I wasn't able to experience Dark Charge pre-nerf but it's definitely tricky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mionallen Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) It's not so much as Darkness being flat out overpowered as opposed to the fact that you pretty much die instantly if you're not in Dark Charge so it really doesn't matter if you do more DPS in another spec because you're still dead. Deception has the least synergy with Darkness and suffers the most. Most Madness hybrids still use Dark Charge, instead of Lightning Charge even though Madness leans toward dots. Deception doesnt hav synergy with darkness? check this spec http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#200rcrskbskbZhRrMk.1 I realize it doesn't have wither but you never run out or force with dark swell and dark embrace and the bonus damage from maul procs fixes our damage problems a bit oh and check this one too i call it shockmoarbrah http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#200rcrsk0cZhRrMzZf0c.1 shock all over the place with this one ya you dont have as much survivability as the other one but it again is great with force AND COME ON WHO DOESN'T LOVE SHOCK also wither is just kinda meh imo Edited January 30, 2012 by mionallen had to add something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordXalas Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) no....it's not op at all. Thats like saying vanguards or powertechs are op cause they get a charge and a pull. The healing isn't even that great later on towards end game raiding, and dark ward is a joke in AOE pulls since the charges gets eaten fast. Having to keep reappliny dark ward all the time (especially if you are running low on force) is very detrimental. More force starved then a hunger hunger hippo Edited January 30, 2012 by LordXalas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_the_flu Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Force pull to get anybody within melee range, three diff ways to self heal (chain lightning 12%, overcharge saber 10%, and a self heal every 4.5 seconds from dark charge) i hate to be the first to mention that chain lightning is a sorcerer ability, and talented btw. Also as far as i can tell (just looked quick) chain lightning also doesn't grant you health, even with talents (i just looked quick i may have missed something). tho i agree with most of your points, i cannot take you seriously since you claim to be an expert on the classes you play. Edited January 30, 2012 by just_the_flu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidily Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) i hate to be the first to mention that chain lightning is a sorcerer ability, and talented btw. Also as far as i can tell (just looked quick) chain lightning also doesn't grant you health, even with talents (i just looked quick i may have missed something). tho i agree with most of your points, i cannot take you seriously since you claim to be an expert on the classes you play. go and read the harness darkness talent in the darkness tree bro although there is a spelling mistake its not to hard to put 2 and 2 together and know what he is talking about as i would expect from someone who knows EVERYTHING about his class. Edited January 30, 2012 by Voidily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorwinOfAmber Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) go and read the harness darkness talent in the darkness tree bro. I would make sure you know your class before telling someone they dont know theirs in the future. Force lightning. It seems its you who should learn his class. Edited January 30, 2012 by KorwinOfAmber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidily Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Force lightning. It seems its you who should learn his class. is using ones brain so hard in this forum? noticing a typo and knowing what he is talking about is not something to call people out on and all of a sudden call his knowledge of the class out into question unless of course your insecure about something and over compensating but i digress im not going to start an argument for the sake of it in someone elses thred. Edited January 30, 2012 by Voidily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omite Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Darkness is not overpowered at all. Good luck killing anything in Darkness. Maybe if the other team is stupid enough to attack you you'll be over powered. /ignore tank = win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_the_flu Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 go and read the harness darkness talent in the darkness tree bro although there is a spelling mistake its not to hard to put 2 and 2 together and know what he is talking about as i would expect from someone who knows EVERYTHING about his class. no need to get hostile. and yes it's hard to put 2 and 2 together if you don't have the correct facts. if i say tomato and mean potato, would you know what I'm talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNorik Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 no need to get hostile. and yes it's hard to put 2 and 2 together if you don't have the correct facts. if i say tomato and mean potato, would you know what I'm talking about? Anyone who plays assassin knows what he meant, it was pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazari Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) i use this spec http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#200rcrkkrskbsZbZf0c.1 20% chance to proc EW is worth 2 points. I find Wither to be better than 50% crit multiplier on thrash. Harnessed Darkness heal and dmg increase at 3 stacks is very good wth recklessness and +9% crit proc from madness tree, throw in single relic that gives crit + surge and you will look a 1300 crits eah second by FL in tank spec. Edited January 30, 2012 by Mazari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutelf Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Yeah Darkness is so op, you will never kill anything. Have fun zerging the entire game in front of the Voidstar door or an alderaan turret or plinking at the huttball carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atemus Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 This post makes me smile, as a Darkness/Deception Hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazari Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#200rcrkkrskbsZbZf0c.1 I kill a lot, you understimate dmg of it. Sure you won't do crazy levels of dmg, but it's still possible to crit over 3k with ZERO surge stat and zero expertise. I shocked a ude for 3300, i had recklessness up + energize, 2200 followed by 1100 [chain shock] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunzun Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Darkness is not overpowered at all. Good luck killing anything in Darkness. Maybe if the other team is stupid enough to attack you you'll be over powered. /ignore tank = win Darkness doesn't mean tanking gear. With my Darkness spec and dps gear i'm just as fast as a Deception sin to kill my opponent from the Infernal Council, and always in top 3 dps at the end of a WZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hikotai Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 The issue isn't that Darkness is overpowered. The issue is that Darkness does the best job of trying to fix many of the problems that Sins suffer from; though it still comes with problems of its own. If people call it OP too much, we might have to do battle with this creature. (Think about it). Considering how many issues the Assassin class already comes with, I'd rather let the Operatives get smacked around by this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunzun Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Yeah, that's a good thing fresh ungeared 50 sins keep PvPing in Deception spec, that keeps our probability to encounter this creature at its minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabbathius Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 It's not so much as Darkness being flat out overpowered as opposed to the fact that you pretty much die instantly if you're not in Dark Charge so it really doesn't matter if you do more DPS in another spec because you're still dead. For me it's this, pretty much. I'm playing a Marauder, who is also melee. But he's got Medium armor, not light. And arguably some of the best defensive cooldowns in the game, at least on par with the ones Sin has. And they complain about being squishy. But Sin has Light armor. Who thought that brilliant, I can't begin to guess. Darkness is OK though. That's the build I've been playing both leveling and PvP, and so far it's good. Damage is laughable, relatively speaking, but you stay up a lot longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XParoleX Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 As a rank 59 full champ geared sin I can tell you if you want to feel OP in PVP run the 23/18 spec. Nothing is hard for me to kill, I can survive a OP opener and their burst pop a rakata med pack and them proceed to kill them. I feel pretty invincible and my team mates and the republics are always commenting about it during pvp matches. If you want to do great DPS and have a pocket healer run a full deception spec, but if you don't have a healer you are too squishy unless you are sneaking around looking for single targets or half dead targets and have no intention on trying to do objectives to win. If you want to live forever, be completely ignored by your enemies and hit with a Wiffle Ball Bat do a full Darkness Build. TL;DR if you want to be OP run 23/18 everything else is meh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varcan Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Yeah Darkness is so op, you will never kill anything. Have fun zerging the entire game in front of the Voidstar door or an alderaan turret or plinking at the huttball carrier. I'm just glad that everytime I take a healer from 50% to 0 in 3 GCDs they always think I'm Deceptions spec:rolleyes: Nerf Deception/Inf! Buff my poor dmg some more! I always wanted to do 500k+, it's tough being a tank stuck in the lowly 400k+ range:o. I guess I'll keep plinking away... Edit: Welp, just got my biometric alloy, willpower buff! 500k done. Please buff my tank dmg to 600K+ Bioware, the forums still think I'm plinking... Ps - To clarify I'm 23/0/18 Edited January 30, 2012 by Varcan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nToxiK Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Outside of IA snipers it might be the best class atm. I stopped reading when you eluded to IA Snipers are the best. You meant Sorcs, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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