Embrosil Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) I think they should at least remove the hangar. It is not needed. Yes, huge and totaly empty building with static NPC is totaly useless. I really miss SWG whre you selected a ship from terminal (yes, you can have more ships, imagine that) and flew. Or you bought a ticket (yes, because there are money in Star Wars, yet in SWTOR somehow all shuttles are free) and made a small walk to the shuttle and flew. Edited January 30, 2012 by Embrosil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezlabor Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 After playing EVE Online for several years, I don't even notice what you guys are whining about. Lolololo For those who don't know, there are thousands of planets, systems, space stations, etc in Eve. If you choose the automatic travel, you will warp 20KM away, which then takes like 5 minutes to close that gap, then you take the warp gate. If you do it manually, you warp ontop of the gate, so you have to manually warp to each location. Not bad for 4-5 jumps, but often Eve players have to travel 25-75 jumps, which can take 30 minutes to over an hour. Overall, its just based on experience. But back on topic; They should remove the orbital station, without that one step I think travel would be more fluid. Probably the most annoying part is the 1-2 minute walk from your physical ship, to the elevator inside of the hanger. So I guess add an option to toggle the hanger and orbital station. As an RPer myself, I do enjoy the various travel locations they have. Oh I still play eve. the nice thing about eve is you can stick your ship on AP and go make coffee or minimize the game and browse the web while you fly. Unless your not in empire. then its just warp to 0 jump warp to 0 jump warp to 0 jump. yea it can take awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarisa Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 There should be an option to auto skip all the hangar bays etc.I can see still leaving some shuttle ports because some of them have quests. It was kind of neat visually the first couple of times I did it, I appreciated the level of detail that went into where they house my ship, where I take off and land at. After that though it was tedious. My husband and I play this together, we're always grouped and it's annoying enough to get places to do things. "Honey are you almost here?" "Nope, I'm past the 2nd loading screen, I'm almost on my ship." And if it's annoying to us who could not possibly be more patient with each other... That's is imo, one reason some people have trouble getting groups for things. Even in my Guild, if someone says let's do a world boss tour, it takes people forever to get together because we all have to deal with many loading screens and tedious walks to get in one place. I have (on the alts I don't lay with my husband) even been removed from groups before for taking too long to get there. Well sorry, I'm a whole planet and shuttle and starport away but I'm loading as fast as I can. I am one of the stop and smell the roses type of people but this even got to me after a while. I have in the options menu A box to autoskip movies if I choose. I'd dearly love another option next to that to auto skip space travel loading screens if there are no quest givers in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FerrusPA Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Oh I still play eve. the nice thing about eve is you can stick your ship on AP and go make coffee or minimize the game and browse the web while you fly. Unless your not in empire. then its just warp to 0 jump warp to 0 jump warp to 0 jump. yea it can take awhile. And that's why there are jump bridges. If you're not in Highsec you ought be in an alliance that has some. So even EvE has less tedious travel than TOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goretzu Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 There should be an option to auto skip all the hangar bays etc.I can see still leaving some shuttle ports because some of them have quests. It was kind of neat visually the first couple of times I did it, I appreciated the level of detail that went into where they house my ship, where I take off and land at. After that though it was tedious. My husband and I play this together, we're always grouped and it's annoying enough to get places to do things. "Honey are you almost here?" "Nope, I'm past the 2nd loading screen, I'm almost on my ship." And if it's annoying to us who could not possibly be more patient with each other... That's is imo, one reason some people have trouble getting groups for things. Even in my Guild, if someone says let's do a world boss tour, it takes people forever to get together because we all have to deal with many loading screens and tedious walks to get in one place. I have (on the alts I don't lay with my husband) even been removed from groups before for taking too long to get there. Well sorry, I'm a whole planet and shuttle and starport away but I'm loading as fast as I can. I am one of the stop and smell the roses type of people but this even got to me after a while. I have in the options menu A box to autoskip movies if I choose. I'd dearly love another option next to that to auto skip space travel loading screens if there are no quest givers in the area. That's it, and the longer you play the worse it will get. Personally I think they probably need one of both of these: 1. A fast travel point to right outside your ship (if not to inside your ship - might be some issues with this, maybe) 2. A speeder point to and from right outside your ship that unlocks like the rest (or again perhaps that takes you inside your ship - just reaches the one nearest spaceport than loads ship straight from there). Because as it is.... well it's just plain annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reverendsaintjay Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I only made it a few pages into this thread before my eyes glazed over, so I apologize in advance if anything I'm saying here has already been said. Point #1: I'm almost done with Act 1, and one of the things I have noticed about Tatooine (and my forays into Alderaan) is that there's no "Imperial Shuttle" drop point. See, on Balmorra and Nar Shaddaa there were these wonderful shuttles that would take you straight to the drop-hanger on the imperial fleet. Adding something like that to every planet (twice if we want to be nice to the repubs) goes a long way towards improving quality of life. I don't care if I'm a 5 minute speeder ride away from the outpost, I'll go take a bio break and make a sandwich if I know that when I get back I can just shuttle straight to fleet. Point #2: The fleet passes need to be sold in more locations, and their cost shouldn't be prohibitive to use. Limit them to level whatever-you-want, lower the price, sell them at the cantinas. Point #3: There is no reason that I should not be able to mount in the spaceport. Yeah, I understand that there are buildings and palaces where I have to just suck it up. But seriously, you fly starships in and out of the building and my speeder is verboten? That's just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatsalightsaver Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I agree that travel is a heinous waste of time. It's actually a barrier in my mind whenever I make decisions. Oh I need something from the fleet? Ugh...I'll have to go through all those loading screens, then do the same thing on the way back...forget it. On my questing journey, I'd only go to the fleet after I finished the planet I was on and never in between. I think having your own ship was a good idea, but the implementation meant a huge barrier to travel, and that's a bad thing. Something needs to give somewhere as this is a massive issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidlqs Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I love the realism of it. I walk my characters everywhere in game as well, to appreciate the realism even more. NOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezlabor Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 And that's why there are jump bridges. If you're not in Highsec you ought be in an alliance that has some. So even EvE has less tedious travel than TOR. My Alliance Failcascaded :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdough Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I only made it a few pages into this thread before my eyes glazed over, so I apologize in advance if anything I'm saying here has already been said. Point #1: I'm almost done with Act 1, and one of the things I have noticed about Tatooine (and my forays into Alderaan) is that there's no "Imperial Shuttle" drop point. See, on Balmorra and Nar Shaddaa there were these wonderful shuttles that would take you straight to the drop-hanger on the imperial fleet. Adding something like that to every planet (twice if we want to be nice to the repubs) goes a long way towards improving quality of life. I don't care if I'm a 5 minute speeder ride away from the outpost, I'll go take a bio break and make a sandwich if I know that when I get back I can just shuttle straight to fleet. Go back cause there are the Flashpoint Shuttles. You just failed to find them. As for the travel system, they want the feel of Star Wars. No where in any movie was there instant transportation. You either got in a shuttle, speeder, or a ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Rahlik Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 ...snip... I start off on planet A... I have to run through the pointless space station that for some reason looks the exact same on every planet... I think I then have to zone into the hangar of my class... then I have to run all the way to shuttle or whatever... Then for whatever reason I'm now on a pointless orbital station... god dammit! So I have to run to the next point where I have to zone... now I'm in a gosh darn airlock??? jesus Christ when will I get to my Spaceship... snip... Actually not true. Either it's quest zone - orbital station - airlock - ship OR it's quest zone - space station - hangar - ship It's never both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasburath Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 They should have made it like SWG when traveling in between planets. Just go to a starport terminal at any starport click then chose where to go and be done with it. Impossible to go help someone Pvp on some planet when it's going to take 2-3 minutes just to get to the planet. This made me laugh. 2 -3 minutes...really? I agree with others. The system is fine as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foofie Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) If this had been Said before I sincerely apologize. For those of us who played SWG from launch or was there in the beginning. It was quite the "trek" (forgive the term) to walk forever to your mission. There were no mounts nor speeders. The only travel was at either the space or shuttle ports. Once Mounts and the like, along with JTL came about. It made things much easier. However folks still complained about how long it took to get to the space port from out in the wilderness. Finally, the ability to call a shuttle to you when out in the world was granted. and I actually liked this. It was a choice I could make if I needed to get to the space port quickly or If I chose not to, then I rode. I think when outside a city or far from a "Speeded/taxi stand" You should be able to have something resembling that. Sure the graphic may not be easily implemented but the ability to get back to the space port only would be nice. Perhaps a quest or something to obtain this ability. I know we have the 30 minute "warp globe" which is good. But there may be a situation where you warp to another area and then need to get back to the spaceport. I dunno, just a suggestion that would make it feel more Starwarsy Edited January 30, 2012 by Foofie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortoises Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I wish the instant gratification generation people would all quit this game and go find some other game to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goretzu Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Go back cause there are the Flashpoint Shuttles. You just failed to find them. As for the travel system, they want the feel of Star Wars. No where in any movie was there instant transportation. You either got in a shuttle, speeder, or a ship. Yup Star Wars they were always facing a loading screen, a 50 m run, followed by another loading screen Yoda even has that famous delete scene eulogising about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superlizard Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Travelling between planets is one of my favourite aspects of this game it really gives it a star wars feel. Nothing in this game feels like Star Wars to me. It could really be simple -- make faster travel an option. That way the whiners that want the boring run, click, run etc can do that and the ones, and the whiner like me, that want it faster, can choose that. My game experience is mine and I could play like I wanted to and you could as well. I could care less if someone wants to go through the zillion steps to travel from one place to another. Do it. But also give people the option to travel faster if they choose to. My option to take the faster travel won't in any way affect the game play of the person that wants the slow travel. That is the biggest let down in this game. Lack of options!! Not just in travel either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goretzu Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I wish the instant gratification generation people would all quit this game and go find some other game to complain about. But then that's the point. EQ1 originally had EVIL journeys of 45-180 mins to get from Qeynos to Freeport, they were things you really thought about back then. Genuinely spending hours or even days planning the run (especially if low level). The problems in SWTOR aren't mirroring that "epic" journey, they are simply an artefact of them using your ship for storyline missions. It's got nothing to do with "instant gratification", and everything to do with pointlessly wasting time. It is bad design, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevenpifers Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Love how people are pulling the RP realism card. Like someone said before, If you're going to say that then we should be waiting hours if not days for interstellar travel, Hell it can even take weeks in the Star Wars universe. Personally though I hate the unbelievable amount of loading screens. ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthRik Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 omg why do i have to drive in my car to get to work in the morning... why the feck didnt i get an instance travel button on m butt to get me to work in a split second........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaaan Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Strangely enough it was the long walk times (or better loading times) that made me stop playing the game for now. It does have other issues (dead worlds, extreme themepark - go there and never come back to that place after all quests are done, lack of content apart from raiding and 3 Battlegrounds) but the ridiculous, mindnumbingly large amount of time I wasted in the level 30s by simply going from one NPC to another for a single quest taking around at least 30 minutes just for one meagre dialogue... phew ahhh grrrgh! Bioware please! Either create a themepark with rails that run smooth or create an open world but dont make a themepark where I spend half my playtime in a spacestation, hangar, spaceport which has only one use "running through it from one loading screen to the other" please don't thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgle Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I'd like to see more options. Add a faster travel option for people who want to use it and people who want to /walk and use the current system are more than welcome. It's not like you see anyone else when you're traveling so I don't really see why people would be against this unless they just want to be contrary. I know- this system is relatively painless compared to other titles (FFXI, EQ2 at launch; I've been there) but we can do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goreson Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 They should have made it like SWG when traveling in between planets. Just go to a starport terminal at any starport click then chose where to go and be done with it. Impossible to go help someone Pvp on some planet when it's going to take 2-3 minutes just to get to the planet. Right, here we go - again! Many people that are complaining about travel seem to point to 'extensively long loading screens'... well, it's weird that there are actually people that don't have to sit for hours looking at a loading screen... wonder why? Because their system is able to load the required information faster! Let me guess: you want BW to give each person who bought a sub for SWTOR an new, uniform AND high-end PC just so that you have the best experience possible? Go play console! Many people here are complaining about all the required steps to get to the hangar, into the ship, to the next planet, off the ship, into the spaceport... Gosh, it's not a game where you are instantly teleported to where you want to go (for most parts) Frankly, if you want that, why don't you play an online FPS? Guess what: you spawn close to the battlefield, you run, you start PvP with your mates. Woohoo! Oh, wait, SWTOR is not an Online FPS, is it? You are actually loading a bit more than just 1 map, different places on a planet, a different planet overall... oh heck, let's just load the whole galaxy... because BW is already giving ever subscriber a uniform power PC anyways... Many people here are complaining about long distance they have to travel thru buildings/the ship when travelling to a different planet... Jeeez, aren't you playing online FPS yet? Oh, wait... ever played classics like Starsiege: Tribes and Tribes2? Guess what: you were running/skating for minutes to get to the enemy base! Because the maps were friggin huge compared to anything else FPS offered at that time. Now SWTOR is actually supposed to be an (MMO)RPG... well, BW did figure for you to play your role you don't teleport into your ship, you actually have walk thru a spaceport... an - ENORMOUS - spaceport.! (*swallows comment regarding male perception of part of their anatomy*) Anybody who takes longer than 1 min running thru any spaceport (from entrance to hanger, not counting transition/loading screens) need to toggle from walking to running! And dear Obi-Shinobi, do yourself a favor: watch Ep2 again... you know the bit about Obi Wan, Geonosis, message, Anakin to the rescue? Let's see if maybe George Lucas has update that movie next year so that Anakin and Padme just teleport to his side? Just because SWTOR player can't take their time... You are not supposed to instantly be at a buddy's side if he needs help in PvP! Not even in online FPS that's the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvtcarnage Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Yup. Agreed. Bioware needs to hire another 50 employees, dub them "The Fixers", give them license to do all in their power to address the bugs and bad content within SWTOR, and unleash them. It's not like they don't have the money to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJMTL Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Anyone arguing for the pointless running about is REALLY grasping at straws to defend BW. Making things drawn out and inconvenient =/= content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechomai Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) +1. You should be able to hearth to another planet, pure and simple. Yeah....jusssssst like in the Star Wars films! Man....hearthing would have made Luke Skywalker's escape from the Death Star sooooo much easier. Yeah...and I want spells and wands and potions and.... Edited January 30, 2012 by Dechomai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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